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I carry my 260 Finnlight the most. I have full confidence in it.
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Mule Deer, is that where the Model 70s are made now?
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Many folks don't care for Glocks either. Too useful.
mike r I have no strong opinions on the Creedmoor. Don't own one because I have a .260. Might get one in the future. But if I really, really, didn't like the round, you know what I'd do? Not buy one.
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257Bob,
Actually, Model 70's are more "assembled" in Portugal than made there--but that has been the case for several years now.
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recoiljunky,
waiting for Shrapnel to comment.... And what's so special about him. Not the first time I've seen this referencing that guy. Yeah, his Creedmoor vitriol has nothing on HitnRun's...
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Yeah but Shrap is high on the 222 mag so that alone covers a multitude of sins...... 
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One more general observation: Where were all you guys when the .300 WSM became the screaming rage after it was introduced in 2001?
I joined the Campfire in 2001, and hardly saw any rants about how all the .300 WSM did was duplicate the ballistics of the .300 H&H, which had been around almost as long as the 6.5x55. Why not? Were you only 50 then, so hadn't yet the old man's tendency to rant about anything new?
Might also note that while the .300 WSM is still around 18 years later, the big sales boom only lasted a few years., and I believe the .300 Winchester Magnum is outselling it now.
But 6.5 Creedmoor sales have been growing since it was introduced in 2007. Partly that's because it did NOT appear 2-3 years ago as many people seem to believe, and there was NOT a bunch of publicity surrounding its introduction, as there was with the .300 WSM, because it was introduced as a target round. It wasn't until hunters started trying it and began reporting how well it worked that rifles companies started introducing many hunting models, and the round really took off.
I bought the first hunting rifle chambered for the 6.5 Creedmoor that I ever laid eyes on, a new Ruger 77 Hawkeye with a (gasp!) walnut stock. It was in a local sportings goods store, and the guy who ran the gun department (whose idea of a new-fangled rifle cartridge is the .280 Remington) told me other folks were reporting great accuracy.
But I didn't just go ahead and buy it. Instead I phoned one of my magazine editors and asked if he would be interested in an article on the 6.5 Creedmoor. He was, so I bought it, and some factory ammo. The very first group it shot at 100 yards, with that ammo, was .6 inch--and that was FIVE shots, on three.
That editor eventually (like some of you guys) eventually grew sick of hearing about 6.5 Creedmoor, so decided not to run any more articles on it unless he absolutely had to. However, about a month ago he called me and ASKED me to include some 6.5 Creedmoor results in an upcominhg article on some new bullets. Why? Because readers had started complaining that they weren't getting enough 6.5 Creedmoor information in the magazine.
So no, the 6.5 Creedmoor's popularity wasn't due to an intense PR campaign to turn it into the latest fad. Instead the interest grew from people who started using it for hunting, and unlike many other rounds that did turn out to be fads or semi-fads, sales continue to grow 12 years after it appeared. This many not make you happy, but so far I haven't heard of anybody FORCING shooters to buy 6.5 Creedmoors. I still have the Shooting mag when the 6.5 CM was being introduced. A friend on Team USA was highlighted when F T/R was taking off and I kept the magazine. It was Mike Demilles loading off the probably now long dead .30 TC and he convinced Hornady to offer loaded cartridges. Might be slightly off on history and details but that was 2005 ish I think. I was pretty surprised when it grew legs a few years ago after over a decade without much commercial visibility from my perspective at least. I was organizing my office and found the magazine again last week. It was either a one off for Comp shooters from a larger name magazine or Precision Shooter. I boxed it up with some books to store and can’t remember now. The 6.5CM ad was the back page. I agree with your comments it wasn’t heavily marketed at introduction. More of a limited target market trial. IIRC Hornady just started into really innovative powders(Superformance) and calibers like the .308 Marlin Express or whatever the flexible tipped rounds where for leverguns. I remember the Short Mag craze as well. It was right when I started hunting big game roughly. The 300 WSM probably remained popular than most of the others and until GAP started promoting the 6.5 SAUM I never heard much about Remington or Ruger? Short mags. The WSSM’s fell out of favor even faster. The 6.5 CM was purpose built before its time and lived long enough that when PRS and other Shooting sports became mainstream it had the support structure all ready to capitalize. It definitely wasn’t a Short Mag story as it appears some believe. Full disclosure, I don’t own a 6.5 CM but did have a beautiful shooting TC Icon and followed the 30 TC and then 6.5 CM with interest the past decade or so. Hornady seems to have done a great job of figuring out the economics of niche calibers, etc.
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I am all aquiver with anticipation of Shrapnel's arrival.
Who is Chuck Norris? I used to work at A. M. Wells in Norris, but never met or saw any Chuck.
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Wow...some of you all take this whole Creedmore thing seriously.
I've never owned one, nor do I have plans to but I can see why they're flying off the shelves.
Carry on.
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Yeah but Shrap is high on the 222 mag so that alone covers a multitude of sins...... Yep, he's also into .223 Remington denial....
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My man bun finally grew out nicely so I have one showing up next week. Funny how grown men get twisted about rifles and such. Wow...some of you all take this whole Creedmore thing seriously.
I've never owned one, not do I have plans to but I can see why they're flying off the shelves.
Carry on.
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Well, my 6.5 Creedmor came to me via a gift from an uncle. He belongs to his local Legion and he won the gun in a raffle. He decided that I should have it. A Ruger American Predator with a Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x44, I think sits on it. Not a gun I would have purchased, but he is my uncle and he is a vet. I gladly accepted and got it sighted in.
He came down for a visit and we took it out and he was able to fire it a few times. He was a happy camper.
I took the rifle out on Veteran's Day in his honor. I took this buck at about 125 yards, one shot and he made it maybe 30 yards. Remington 140 grain corelokt did the job.
He was the first person I told and texted him a picture and the details. He now can brag to his buddies at the Legion. This rifle will now be with me or my family for many years to come. I will not let this one go.
We took it one step further and had lunch at the local VFW where we hunt as they were serving a turkey dinner. A great day in my book. I was hunting with my my older brother, my oldest son and my nephew.
Now is the 6.5 Creedmor any better than others, maybe is some ways, maybe not in others. It does shoot well in the rifle I have. I would buy another, but I would also probably like a 6.5x55 or a 260. Go with whatever works best for you. Heck I could even go for another one that works great, the 7-08.
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257Bob;
Imagine that all the fuss is about getting a factory rifle with action, twist, chamber and throat actually tailored to a particular cartridge and bullet class. A custom in a box ready to go. Too, a lot more paper is getting shot at distance than in the past.
For those not partial or unschooled in Kentucky windage, dially scopes and informative reticles have opened doors for smaller cartridges at magnum distances. Most welcome--particularly to old, beat-up shooters. Like Viagra, the new optics help to keep the ancients in the game to the chagrin of certain millennials.
The benefits of a higher ballistic coefficient seem to be getting near revelatory attention, too--kinda like the shooting fraternity didn't have that under their collective hat back in the dim past...:)
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Crickets So now the Jeopardy theme is playing between my ears in wait of the great Shrapnel. So in the mean time: https://youtu.be/v2AC41dglnM
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It seems Whittaker sells a few. I read so many positive things about the Creedmoor accuracy and ability to kill at distance. Is it only a natural progression to become the future hunters do everything, go to round for everything in N. America except brown bear? Well maybe, even dangerous game like brown bear or African lion from safe distances, with it's accuracy one could call shots behind the ear or between the eyes without blowing up the trophy? WT? 1) Long distance hunting is a teeny-tiny fraction of the overall picture. 2) Accuracy is more a matter of the Indian rather than the arrow. The average hunter in CONUS is a whitetail deer hunter. He shoots a deer inside 80 yards. I really don't see where the Creed is going to fit into that scenario. Take 3 big Whitetail states: IN, IA, and OH. Indiana just went from a limited PCR-type restriction to an anything-243-and larger restriction. There is a huge market there for new deer rifles. 6.5 Creedmore is not even on the shelves. Most people are buying .308 WIN, 30-06 and 270 WIN, and 243 WIN These are the 3 big new markets for centerfire hunting rifles. 6.5 Creedmore is not in the running in 2 of the 3. In the one place where it is legal, it's sales are negligible. Kentucky, where I'm at, I have not seen 6.5 Creedmore in the stores. The ammo is not stocked at Walmart. Food for thought: We sell a bunch of rifles on an annual basis, both in store and online. If you eliminate the black rifle numbers (223/5.56), the Creedmoor outsold any other centerfire rifle cartridge 8 to 1. That’s a huge margin! And that’s from a five digit sample size. Doesn’t matter where they’re shipping, the Creedmoor is king of the hill. Either the Creedmoor has sold out in the shops you’re visiting or the shops aren’t taking advantage of market trends.
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from a previous thread in a similar vein.... It's the 22-250 all growed up and matured. it's the .250 Savage everyone has been begging for for years! please please please....can't someone bring out the 250 savage in a range of rifles cheap to expensive but have them be accurate?
please please please....can't someone bring out the 250 savage in a range of ammunition cheap to expensive but have them be accurate?
please please please....can't someone bring out .257 projectiles in a range of weights suitable for hunting and target shooting?
...Actually Sycamore, you are sort of right....
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Yeah but Shrap is high on the 222 mag so that alone covers a multitude of sins...... Yep, he's also into .223 Remington denial.... I've a Sako Vixen in 223 I could dangle in front of him.....
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Basically twins no measureable difference IMO.
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Yeah but Shrap is high on the 222 mag so that alone covers a multitude of sins...... Yep, he's also into .223 Remington denial.... I've a Sako Vixen in 223 I could dangle in front of him..... I'll show him a picture of my Rem 7 .22-204 with light Brux barrel... DF
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I shoot both, I really like both. When I got around to building a full custom I chose the Creedmoor specifically because I wanted to use a magazine fed rifle that could pull double duty as a hunting rifle and light competition rifle. For a pure hunting rifle, the .260 is a better choice because it has a little more case capacity. I’m probably going to move to Ackley Improved when I rebarrel again. With Berger getting ready to release the 155gr Elite Hunter, I’d be building a .260 AI with a Wyatt’s box and a Kiff reamer designed around those 155s. I might even consider building it on a long action but would probably stick with the short action because I’m a fanboy and it does keep the weight down some. You can still shoot factory .260 ammo in a pinch but you can pick up the extra speed with AI handloads. My .260 is as easy to load for as either of my 6.5 Creedmoors.
I do find better choices for factory ammo for the Creedmoor than the .260 but I mainly reload my own. Sometimes I get lazy, though, or in a hurry and there’s some really fantastic factory ammo out there - Prime, Copper Creek, etc. I haven’t found nearly as much .260 ammo that MY rifle likes.
I don’t find buying a new set of dies a real consideration but if you already have all the .260 dies, that’s just another reason to go with that caliber.
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