Hey sop bashing Jr...at least now he's a good kennedy
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
Kennedys have always seemed to have problems with water, boats, planes, or cars
and bullets.l
I had the JFK,Jr doc on last night as i perused the Campfire Fights as i am prone to do when the Rangers or Astros arent on and all talked about the bad weather. I happened to glance up once and, catching my eye on the Fox scroll at the bottom, was acstatement saying the weather was clear that night.
Did anyone else catch that?
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Many a "experienced" pilot has been found out not to be.....usually too late.
He wasn't... No clue about instrument flyng..
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Flying the Recovery Tanker mission overhead the ship on dark, moonless nights with no horizon, you fly in a big oval over the ship at 20-30 deg AOB. After about five minutes, you swear you are "wings level" but you are far from it. You have to force your brain to believe the instruments or you are dead. Oh yeah, so there you are with BAD vertigo and you get the signal to come down so you "push" out of the Marshall stack and let me tell you boys, puckers you right up.. THe breathing you hear ain't because he's got asthma ! This is a 500 series (A-6 Intruder, but you can also hear a 700 series S-3 Viking (the jet I flew0 on the radio
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
The best analysis of JFK Jr’s Fatal flight in my opinion is a video on YouTube done by Jason Schappert of MZeroA Aviation. He breaks down the multitude of pilot errors with excellent graphics and clear language that even a non-pilot can understand easily.
"I'm gonna have to science the schit out of this." Mark Watney, Sol 59, Mars
Someone using Jnrs code, made two weather requests from WSI’s PILOTbrief website;
radar at 18:33
route weather briefs 18.34 ;
ACK 1753: Clear skies; visibility 5 miles in mist; winds 240 degrees at 16 knots. CDW 1753: Clear skies; visibility 4 miles in haze; winds 230 degrees at 7 knots. HYA 1756: Few clouds at 7,000 feet; visibility 6 miles in haze; winds 230 degrees at 13 knots. MVY 1753: Clear skies; visibility 6 miles in haze; winds 210 degrees at 11 knots.
In relation to above, VMC at 18:34 is deemed sufficient to legally allow Jnr. to go VFR.
Although there’s no record of the pilot requesting weather briefs just prior to departure, at the time of the accident, NTSB quotes the KMVY ATCT manager as saying:
“The visibility, present weather, and sky condition at the approximate time of the accident was probably a little better than what was being reported.[see data below]. I say this because I remember aircraft on visual approaches saying they had the airport in sight between 10 and 12 miles out. I do recall being able to see those aircraft and I do remember seeing the stars out that night...To the best of my knowledge, the ASOS was working as advertised that day with no reported problems or systems log errors.”
Martha’s Vineyard (KVMY) clear skies, 7 - 11 miles vis. Block Island, R.I. (KBID), clear skies and 10 miles vis. [south of the airplane’s route of flight and at the east end of Long Island] Bridgeport, Conn. (KBDR) clear skies and light winds, visibility varying between 6 - 8 miles.
Jnr departed KCDW’s Class D shortly after takeoff. He did not request VFR flight following from any of the facilities along the route, so that was the flight’s last contact with ATC. According to radar data, the Saratoga proceeded roughly northeast at altitudes varying between 1200 and 1900 feet msl until approximately 2051. By then, the Saratoga had turned to a more easterly course, eventually going feet wet over the Long Island Sound. This routing kept the Saratoga clear of the Teterboro, N.J., Class D and below a tier of the New York Class B airspace.
FAA VFR minima;
Class G airspace Surface to 1200 feet AGL:
Day: 1 statute mile visibility, clear of clouds
Night: 3 statute miles, 500 feet below, 1000 feet above, and 2000 feet horizontally from clouds
1200 feet AGL to 10,000 feet MSL:
Day: 1 statute mile visibility, 500 feet below, 1000 feet above, and 2000 feet horizontally from clouds
Night: 3 statute miles, 500 feet below, 1000 feet above, and 2000 feet horizontally from clouds
1200 feet AGL and above 10,000 feet MSL:
Day or Night: 5 statute miles, 1000 feet below, 1000 feet above, and 1 statute mile horizontally from clouds
Class E airspace At or above 10,000 ft MSL:
5 statute miles visibility, 1 statute mile horizontally from clouds, 1,000 ft above and below clouds Below 10,000 ft MSL
3 statute miles visibility, 2000 ft horizontally from clouds, 1,000 ft above and 500 ft below clouds
Class C and D airspace At any altitude:
3 statute miles visibility, 2,000 ft horizontally from clouds, 1,000 ft above and 500 ft below clouds
Class B airspace 3 statute miles visibility, clear of clouds
Class A airspace VFR flight prohibited in Class A airspace. must be instrument rated, have an IFR flight plan, 2-way radios, and a Mode-C Transponder
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
Many a "experienced" pilot has been found out not to be.....usually too late.
He wasn't... No clue about instrument flyng..
Thats not exactly true.
March 1999, Kennedy passed his instrument-airplane written exam
April 1999 he returned to FSI to start training for rating. He had completed 12 of the 25 lesson plans. His primary instrument instructor at FSI indicated his progression was normal and that he grasped all of the basic skills needed to complete the course with the exception of VOR and ADF orientation. The CFI stated that the pilot's basic instrument flying skills and simulator work were excellent The CFI stated Kennedy “had trouble managing multiple tasks while flying, which he felt was normal for the pilot’s level of experience.”
What we can safely conclude about Jnr at the time of accident -
He could not competently handle VMC/VFR conditions. He was not appropriately qualified to go IMC/IFR He had limited time/experience in his new aircraft ; 36 hours total ,of which 9.4 hours were at night, approx. only 3 hours of that flight time without CFI, and about 0.8 hour of that time was flown at night, which included one night landing.
He did not excercise his available options that would have permitted a much safer flight.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
Arrogance and stupidity killed JFK jr. He wasn’t the brightest “star” in the “sky”, as the liberal media portrayed him to be. He bought a plane that was way more than he was qualified to fly, and was either too lazy or not smart enough to get IFR rated, or pass the required tests.
JFK sr, RFK, and Teddy were nothing more than a bunch of privileged dumbasses, although at least JFK sr had the good sense to join the military and serve his country. America is a much better place with all of them gone. Period.
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What we can safely conclude about Jnr at the time of accident -
He could not competently handle VMC/VFR He was not qualified to go IMC/IFR He has limited time/experience in his new aircraft ; 36 hours total , of which 9.4 hours were at night. with approx. 3 hours of that flight time without a CFI, and about 0.8 hour of that time was flown at night, which included one night landing.
Typo in the bold print? ... I expect you'd like to revisit that.
Not sure what the point of your posts are. Copy and paste of the FAR/AIM rules for VFR... yes? And your conclusion...?
No question JFK's pilot expertise was not high, and certainly not high in the Saratoga, which is high-performance complex single. As Schappert points out in the video I referenced above, JFK's hours had been spread out over a pretty long stretch. His experience in actual IFR flight, in IMC conditions, was almost zero. But he DID have a pretty decent amount of night flight time in the Saratoga, which is a bit surprising.
Nonetheless... the decisions which JFK made en route to Martha's Vineyard that day were not necessarily bad, if taken individually. But the collective and cumulative effect was catastrophic.
"I'm gonna have to science the schit out of this." Mark Watney, Sol 59, Mars
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