Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Do you think as a side-armed citizen, you could have thwarted the El Paso shooter?

Chuck Norris ain't Chuck Norris. He's more or less fiction. A man can only do what his conscience and training allows him to do. How much actual training does anyone think this 21 year old punk with a new AK had. I think I would have took my chances. Damn sure wasn't going to be shot in the back unless I was his first victim. But really, never been in such a armed conflict and just don't know. Been in several antique "fist fights" in my younger and dumber days, but that seems to be a thing of the past for settling arguments between men. Didn't always win, but never had anymore problems with the guy who did if I didn't. I guess that may count as a win to come and think about it. My thoughts and a $1.06 will get you a cup of coffee as McDonald's.

No they don't. That is ridiculous.

The TRUTH is if you CCW, you have a CHOICE what you may, may not, and are capable of doing.

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I was going to say perfect dumbass, but nobody is perfect.

Starman: The El Paso murderer would NOT want me shooting at him with my Glock Model 22 filled with high capacity magazine and top quality Federal Hydro Shock (large hollow-point!) ammunition!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

He/she's caught a lot of fish with his/her net. You ain't the only one Mike. I'm just drawing attention to him/her hoping to cut down on his/her giggles.

None of us really know how we'd respond. And Rocky is correct, there's no duty to defend, just like the Broward Coward isn't in jail or liable. He's fired, but he's alive and apparently can live with that and his pension.

In El Paso, if I were there, carrying, and ran away, I couldn't stand myself. Anyone with me, not armed, run like hell!, of course, but the only way to stop something like this is to move to the sound of the gunfire.

It all boils down to, if there's a chance, then some of us will take it. I hope I've got the guts.

Yep. A lot of difference in a novice shooter who bought a gun a week ago shooting innocent fleeing victims in the back, then trying to shoot back at a well trained disciplined shooter who is proficient and determined.
I for one ain’t gonna die from getting shot in the back while running away. If I die It’s gonna be because I ran out of ammo.

That picture is after the fact. No swat team is so ready to respond it will be there in time to stop a shooter. Beat cop is what you got, if you're lucky, and he's not a pussy.

They also earn a living doing it, as well as have the court system on their team. Neither of these applies to a regular Joe with a pistol in his pocket.

If people want to kill you, you can do your best, but they will still complete the act. This wack job could have done the same thing on a crowded street in a full size truck.

I know this has been posted before, but it bares repeating !

The Classics Reloaded: “Rules For A Gunfight by Drill Instructor Joe B. Fricks, USMC”

1. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns. Bring four times the ammunition you think you could ever need.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammunition is cheap – life is expensive.

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

And...
Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet if necessary, because they may want to kill you.

When we did our active shooter training for church, the KSP trainer was VERY CLEAR. When they roll on the scene, if you have a firearm in your hand, you have less than 2 seconds to put it down. Otherwise they assume YOU are part of the problem...

Supposedly there was a black License Holder who was armed on scene that was detained by El Paso LEO, who thought he might be the shooter.
If so, the Fake News Media’s Not reporting it.
Doesn’t fit their Agenda.

What kind of gutless wonder CCW uses his sidearm and them runs away and hides to avoid taking responsibility for his actions?

I read that too, Black Lives (especially his) Matter. Has a gun to respond, responds by running away. Hope he can live with that.

You came to the CF all worried asking advice on how to handle your neighbors dog.

How many years were you a Leo...9 or something? ..now you are busy busting hydraulic hoses on the farm,
chasing conspiracy theories, and ankle biting people here.

Lots of members find themselves capable of giving a candid civil answer about how they MIGHT have POTENTIALLY reacted
[depending on actual circumstance etc,] ..which is understandable ....

and they can answer without getting all uptight and upset like you and a couple other CF snowflakes have.




FALSE...but evidently you feel the need to lie.....are you a cop/X- cop by any chance?




mY ego isn't as big as yours, hence I like to see the variety of OTHER peoples responses.

Better to try and die than live as a coward

Yes, Thats part of the point I was making.

iTs typically either up to a [reasonably willing -capable] side-armed citizen with a fortuitous good opportunity to thwart the shooter
or the cops first on the scene.

Multiple Teams that look like they are geared-up to raid Bin Ladens defended compound don't mean much if they arrive after
the dust has settled and the blood congealed.

but the media will swarm on them for a good photo-shoot. typically with the caption 'heavily armed police respond'




Ive brought that exact same point up on previous threads.

Anyone doing or wishing to do what historically and culturally was "the right thing to do" is going to have the hardest time with the government and its employees, not a nutjob with a gun......

Yep.