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None of that implies a Creator, just that the values are what they are and that's why we are here to talk about it. There may be countless bubble universes where the values are different, where no life is possible, our universe may cycle and each time it does, the values are different. Eternity is a long time. If God exists and is eternal, what has He been doing all this time? Creating an endless series of Universes in the hope of getting it right?

[It's not my rule. It is the rule of logic.

Actually it is not. But then you dismiss Aquinas.

Breezed through Fesser's clip. Really fast, there are other things I should be doing. Seems he too rejects everything that doesn't constitute absolute, unassailable proof of God or the soul. But to have absolute proof, according to Ethics, would mean free will does not exist. And therefore we do not exist but are merely extensions of God's mind.

Here is philosophy professor Edward Feser on the logical proofs for the existence of God---all of which has nothing to do with the fact that Neo-Darwinian evolution is an impossibility.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FvYwpyFbIQ

Folks headed for hell work like hell to earn a spot a few degrees cooler. Hahaha. TFF.

Logic without evidence proves nothing. The logic may be sound but if the propositions are flawed, the conclusion does not relate to the real world. You can apply logic to anything, Comic book Superheros, the strengths and weaknesses of Batman....


Problem of evil

''Aquinas dismissed the problem of evil by saying: 'This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that he should allow evil to exist, and out of it produce good.''

If you're about to protest that infinite goodness, by definition, wouldn't allow evil to exist, you're not alone.''

As for the assumption of God;


The Argument of the Unmoved Mover

''This cosmological argument asserts that God must be the cause of all movement in the Universe. Aquinas contends that an infinite regress of movers is impossible, meaning that there must be an unmoved mover that initiated all motion - and that this mover is called God. One could just as easily call the first mover "Charlie", or any other preferred name, since the argument does not establish that the "unmoved mover" has any of the characteristics that are usually associated with the concept of God, such as consciousness, benevolence, omnipotence, or a proclivity to intervene in our universe. Far from proving that the Christian God exists, the most the argument can do is lend some support to a sort of weak deism, but without even necessitating the continued existence of the "first mover" which could just as easily have been the Big Bang as any preferred deity.''

yes, we're into the conundrum if god is real, why doesn't he reveal himself?

in the opposite corner, we have the opposite set of conditions,

if he is real, won't revealing himself blow his cover?

god has to do his best work in secret?

that is behind the scenes?

god in the world can't reveal himself?

The God of ancient Greece supposedly revealed themselves all the time, especially at night to hot mortal women.

God in effect prepared and brought such evil onto Job , and did it through an evil agent entity he permits to exist
and at the instruction of God.

You fail to distinguish moral evil or wickedness from physical "evil" such as calamity, disaster, etc,
Allowing moral evil to exist is not the same as creating moral evil.

Allowing moral evil to exist is not the same as creating moral evil.

What exactly do you mean by 'free will?' Do you mean decision making ability or something else?

If you're about to protest that infinite goodness, by definition, wouldn't allow evil to exist, you're not alone.

NO , it seems you fail to realize Job suffers evils/calamities as result of both physical and moral evil brought on directly
by an arrangement between God and Satan.

Job 1:13. a messenger comes to Job and tells him that the had attacked and stolen all his oxen
and asses and killed all the servants with them.

16, another messenger comes and says that the fire of God had fallen and destroyed all his sheep and the servants with them.

17, another messenger comes and says that the Chaldeans had raided the camel herd and taken them all and killed the servants.

18–19, the message comes that all of his children were crushed to death when a tornado caused the house to collapse.

(Two of the calamities were caused by evil men.)




it is part of Gods original plan that moral evil should exist , and that it should be created by prior arrangement through God.
calamities/evils [be they moral or physical] do not happen without Gods empowering authorisation to natural forces, or to
Satan and wicked mankind.

Satan is Gods spiritual attack dog that he let off the leash. giving him dominion-making him prince of this world,
..Satan can do no more or less than God permits.

if you as a master let a savage pit bull off the leash knowing it would attack and kill people, you are responsible.
its no different with Gods knowledge and control of Satan.

So you would conclude that God is evil? ...?