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I think the odds of pot causing psychosis are pretty darn high and pretty well-established. After all, 2 effects of pot intoxication are also symptomatic of psychosis - paranoia and burn out.

You should watch a documentary called "Murder Mountain". It's about the dope growing industry of Northern California.

The title is rather sensationalized, but it does take a pretty good look at the pot industry and the people involved in it,

If you can watch that and still say pot is harmless to people and their mental acuity I'd say your powers of observation need work.

I grew up in that country and saw what effect pot had on quite a few teenagers, you'll never convince me that it's a good thing to legalize or make socially acceptable.

Wait a sec......so this guy bought the rifle and lied on his form? Or what?

No they are not established. Also meta-analysis, survival analysis, and clinical trials are not an "odds" thingie. you cant define burn out, or psychosis, one only defines attributes of a condition. those attributes define 50% of the population already.

define pot intoxication is it something, like physiological, like dilated pupils, like increased heart rate, or like 50 ppm or 10mcg/ddl blood?

define burn out- is it like working a 60 hour week, or dealing with an alcoholic relative?

See the post above mine that I was responding to, it inferred that pot was harmless because it comes from a plant. My point is that just because something comes from a plant doesn’t mean that it’s harmless. Ricin comes from a plant also, does that mean it’s harmless?

you are conglomerating a large number of sociological conditions, economic etc. and saying weed is the causative factor,,, One can also say just as accurately that it was the illegality that caused the problems not the weed


if you can say there is a direct correlation, id say your logical reasoning needs worked on.

yes thats true and its the same argument used against guns. Guns kill people. No guns are inanimate so are plants, people kill people, people use plants etc.

Did they perhaps drink alcohol before they ever tried pot?

Engage in any other risky behavior?

Geno

I truly lolol’d.....I was thinking the same thing Jim.

Once the alcoholics wake up and begin to post we’ll get a lot of pushback on the legalization question. 😂

If you grew up around a fair amount of people from early childhood as I did and watched what happened to the ones who smoked a lot of pot as they progressed from grammar school on up I'm pretty sure you'd say it had an effect on their mental acuity.

We all grew up poor by most standards in the same tiny community of mostly ranchers, loggers and government workers.

I literally went to school with some of these kids from kindergarten to high school. My senior class started the school year with something like 15 students and 9 graduated. Guess what the ones who didn't graduate liked to do a lot. Yep that's right smoke a lot of pot.

I also lived next door to a family with 4 kids who were all heavy pot smokers by the time they got to high school and you could see a distinct difference between the oldest and youngest mentally. I was a year younger then the youngest kid.

I'm not saying smoking the occasional joint will make you a retard, but if you use pot heavily enough over a long enough period it will definitely mess you up. I think it really has an effect on the younger kids.

I am an owner of a cultivation company that just finally got an FDIC bank account this month. Pot is not going anywhere and I’ll bet you Trump will legalize it federally as his re-election platform.

Did it look like this Steve?

Near Merril OR:



I, for one, am glad to see industrial hemp growing again.

Geno

"Why Pot Should Remain Illegal at Federal Level"
It gives the Feds the right to deny your right to own a gun even in States that it is legal. So If I passed down my shotgun to my son that smoked pot at some time they could kick his door down and confiscate it ? Question 11.e of ATF Form 4473. What if a pot smoker in Colorado lies on the form and buys a firearm? Think about it.

It has a bad effect on kids in the 15-16 year old range , couple that with Over the top video games. Those that do not believe it Google it yourselves.

Look at JeffO for example that should be all you need to know about POT.

The rich kids that smoked it continued through life with their silver spoon, the poor kids ending up using their spoon to cook herion.

And the rich kids end up using the poor kids spoon after they're injured playing tennis, polo, football (take your pick) and become addicted to overprescribed opioids which are cut off after they're healed.

We've never seen that, have we.

Would their be an "opioid" crisis in this country if it was only poor kids dying of oxy/heroin/fentanyl overdoses?

Geno

Pot, booze, heroin all reduce your physical and mental capabilities. The more that you use, the greater the affect. To make the conscious decision to lower your personal potential is the result of a less than fully developed mind, common in young people. I find it sad that our society has failed to educate its' members enough to make good decisions.

History has proven that attempting to legislate morality or common sense doesn't work.



mike r

Murder Mountain is actually a pretty good show, lot of history about the "Emerald Triangle'. A peek into a outlaw dope growing community and covers some of the problems with how California is going about legalizing it pot.

It's mostly about a murder out in the Alderpoint area, but bounces around quite a bit. Personally I had no idea there were so many people that just flat out disappeared up that area.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_Mountain_(TV_series)

You seem to be reading something into my statement that isn't there. I'm not arguing against the legalization of pot, in fact the libertarian in me says it's not the government's business what someone wants to put in their body. I definitely think pot has medical uses, when my mother way dying of cancer I had several doctors tell me pot would help her symptoms, she never tried it though.

I don't buy the argument that it's harmless because it comes from a plant, nor do I think that something should be outlawed just because it can be harmful.

Pot takes a toll on any young person using it until they turn around 25. After that the brain is fully developed, but if pot was used previously, you have to live with the damaged caused by it.