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There is no conflict between scientific evolution and the Biblical version of creation. Only the timeline is different. Saying it happened in 6 days is metaphorical. No one ever believed that, even Christians when Jesus walked the earth understood that. It seems that some of us have gotten dumber as time passes.
That some sort of evolution happened is irrefutable. Exactly how it happened is yet to be determined and there are many theories. When God wants us to know he'll explain it. Till then I have more important things to worry about.
Most people don't really want the truth.
They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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If your scientific Stagnation is extinction. EVERYthing changes in response to the (also changing) environment. That's how evolution happens and why it MUST happen. Rock- That was rather eloquent. Bravo.
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isn't creationism a theory? No. It is a belief. IMO
"I can't be canceled, because, I don't give a fuuck!" --- Kid Rock 2022
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isn't creationism a theory? it's all a theory for us humans. we don't know where we are. we don't know where we've been. certainly we don't know where we headed next. we've got dna that some seriously call junk dna. others are beginning to place a high value on this "junk" dna. ever see a common monkey walking around on the moon in a suit?
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and most all believed the earth was flat....
Those who would disrespect our flag have never been handed a folded one.
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
When in the Course of human events......
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isn't creationism a theory? it's all a theory for us humans. we don't know where we are. we don't know where we've been. certainly we don't know where we headed next. we've got dna that some seriously call junk dna. others are beginning to place a high value on this "junk" dna. ever see a common monkey walking around on the moon in a suit? That's deep man....
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Perhaps I see it differently than some here. To me to jump in feet first with evolution, and just evolution is to deny the existence of God.
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o "May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
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There is no conflict between scientific evolution and the Biblical version of creation. Only the timeline is different. Saying it happened in 6 days is metaphorical. No one ever believed that, even Christians when Jesus walked the earth understood that. It seems that some of us have gotten dumber as time passes.
That some sort of evolution happened is irrefutable. Exactly how it happened is yet to be determined and there are many theories. When God wants us to know he'll explain it. Till then I have more important things to worry about. While I agree with much of what you're saying, there remains a very large majority of evangelical Christians in the US who completely believe the young earth theory.
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isn't creationism a theory? it's all a theory for us humans. we don't know where we are. we don't know where we've been. certainly we don't know where we headed next. we've got dna that some seriously call junk dna. others are beginning to place a high value on this "junk" dna. ever see a common monkey walking around on the moon in a suit? That's deep man.... that just barely scratches the surface of this often subject on the fire. but, do you accept those "facts" or do you disagree with one or more of them? feel free, it costs nothing. but if you want popcorn it's a $1.00. melted butter for free.
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Perhaps I see it differently than some here. To me to jump in feet first with evolution, and just evolution is to deny the existence of God. Well yes and no. It does contradict the existence of God in the Theist sense of...God as the 3 most prevalent religions claim God to be. But it does not disprove the existence of a creator.
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There is no conflict between scientific evolution and the Biblical version of creation. Only the timeline is different. Saying it happened in 6 days is metaphorical. No one ever believed that, even Christians when Jesus walked the earth understood that. It seems that some of us have gotten dumber as time passes.
That some sort of evolution happened is irrefutable. Exactly how it happened is yet to be determined and there are many theories. When God wants us to know he'll explain it. Till then I have more important things to worry about. While I agree with much of what you're saying, there remains a very large majority of evangelical Christians in the US who completely believe the young earth theory. now that we're on the subject yet again (will it ever go away?), if the urth is 6,000 years old is it now still a young earth, or has it become an old urth? when will the change occur in the future, or when did it occur in the past? that is, by my human age stds, 6,000 years is more than a day?
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and most all believed the earth was flat.... Here's a simple definition. Biological evolution = Change in the gene pool of a population through the generations by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift. That definition does not say man evolved from bacteria. That would be another topic, which is what it seems many here focus on. Saying evolution doesn't exist is a belief, not a theory.
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think about this. man is the only animal that eats and wipes its a$$ with its same paw
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Monkeys in space...it's been done.
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Perhaps I see it differently than some here. To me to jump in feet first with evolution, and just evolution is to deny the existence of God. AGREED X2 >but on the lighter side i wished our dear lord would have made women easier to live with
LIFE NRA , we vote Red up here, Norseman
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Where did all the salt water fish come from? Maybe they adapted to salt water .... There were all kinds of animals , and insects on the ark, and millions of insects can live in water. Why are a all humans not black??? Here is your answer. It does not take all that long for a race of people to become black. There is no doubt , even the Native American indians are not as dark as they were 200 yrs ago, even the pure blooded indians. . In 1000 yrs I doubt they will be any darker than most white people.
Although I strongly doubt you want a real answer and are just looking for a debate . Here goes my questions to you. If evolution really happened, how did it happen? I never hear a satisfactory answer. I have debated people on this board and asked what does a deer know what to eat? The answer was the ones that ate meat , died, the ones that ate grass lived. My question then is, who told them to eat? To eat what , when to breed, how to repopulate, how the fawns know enough to get milk from mom??? Creationist answer : OH, it's instinct!!! My next question: who gave them the instinct? My question, how did this world even get here? Creationist answer usually goes like this . There was an explosion and the world was created from the energy and that created matter!!! My next question is,, where did the energy come from? You can not get energy from nothing! It has to be created. You can not get rock, heat, energy, liquids, light, or any matter from something else from nothing. It is impossible. If it is not , you show us how, ok! Take NOTHING , and make something out of it and I will believe your theory. Better yet, you make a new world! Make it out of nothing. We all know that God did it. Many just can't admit it like a liberal can't admit President Trump beat Hillary. God did it . He is the superior being that was here before anything. He did it to be glorified and that bothers many people.
But the fruits of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,faithfulness, Gentleness and self control. Against such things there is no law. Galations 5: 22&23
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Perhaps I see it differently than some here. To me to jump in feet first with evolution, and just evolution is to deny the existence of God. AGREED X2 >but on the lighter side i wished our dear lord would have made women easier to live with LOL
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and most all believed the earth was flat.... Here's a simple definition. Biological evolution = Change in the gene pool of a population through the generations by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift. That definition does not say man evolved from bacteria. That would be another topic, which is what it seems many here focus on. Saying evolution doesn't exist is a belief, not a theory. there's a lot we don't know, but we all have pretty good minds, more or less. that is, we want to know. whatever it is, then let us find out for ourselves. all direction pointers point into two directions: the past & the future. we're in the middle, smack dab, well maybe not? but we're moving forward. where did life first emerge? and from when did it come? life you say? yes, that's us, amongst others. a hot vent in the ocean expelling sulfur laden gases, a bit of chemistry, lightening & timing made majic? or did a comet striking urth with it's inner components shrouded in ice get to earth before burning up? well, we've got to start or begin somewheres. then we can apply the finely tuned theory of evolution. a smart moth in the coal smoke skies of ancient england can adapt to the environment to keep from being eaten.
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Gents, I have faith to believe in a Creator God, a virgin birth of my perfect and sinless Savior Jesus Christ, and faith to trust in Jesus' finished work on the Cross of Calvary (And by no means any of my own good works), to insure me of everlasting life in heaven.
But I don't have near enough faith to believe in evolution as put forth by the world's supposed educated ones. Adaptation, extinction, even mutation, OK, but not evolution.
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and most all believed the earth was flat.... Here's a simple definition. Biological evolution = Change in the gene pool of a population through the generations by such processes as mutation, natural selection, and genetic drift. That definition does not say man evolved from bacteria. That would be another topic, which is what it seems many here focus on. Saying evolution doesn't exist is a belief, not a theory. Natural selection is real. But while natural selection can explain the survival of an organism, it can’t explain the arrival of an organism. Genetic drift is real, but we know of no examples where it has resulted in any significant changes to populations of animals where it is observed. For instance, bunny is still a bunny, a bison a bison, a finch a finch and so on and so forth. Where evolution as it is envisioned today falls short is with the mutations. The mathematics working against random mutations is so daunting as to render evolution as it is currently taught impossible. Further, mutations would need to occur very early in the life of an organism to change the form of the organism and those types of mutations are ALWAYS fatal in the wild.
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