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Does this mean we're not going to get into the effects of quantum reality on thermodynamics?
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You don't have to believe it. The functioning of your computer - for just one example - is greater than the sum of its parts. The collection of parts in the right order, apply energy and you get marvelous information processing activity that has never existed before computers....and before you invoke a designer, there is a difference between natural systems and obviously constructed systems. Some of you posts are foolish and some are even more foolish. That is according to your estimate. An estimate that means absolutely nothing. Offering it shows desperation, an inability to comprehend what is being explained to you, or ague rationally. ''Emergent properties arise when the interaction of individual component produce new functions "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts” – Aristotle Multicellullar organisms are capable of completing functions that unicellular organisms could not undertake – this is due to the collective actions of individual cells combining to create new synergistic effects In multicellular organisms: Cells may be grouped together to form tissues Organs are then formed from the functional grouping of multiple tissues Organs that interact may form organ systems capable of carrying out specific body functions Organ systems collectively carry out the life functions of the complete organism''
This one is right at the top of more foolish. You are obfuscating when changing the conversation to the sum of its parts from the effect cannot be equal to or greater than its cause. The idea that natural systems and constructed systems, if you are speaking of living things, is the difference in New York city and a dirt clod. And yet natural systems run down and eventually die. Even go extinct. As much as folks try to get around entropy real life and lab experiments show things go from order to disorder. So yes, even natural systems need The Designer.
Sorry to be blunt but it's quite clear that you don't have a clue.
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You don't have to believe it. The functioning of your computer - for just one example - is greater than the sum of its parts. The collection of parts in the right order, apply energy and you get marvelous information processing activity that has never existed before computers....and before you invoke a designer, there is a difference between natural systems and obviously constructed systems. Some of you posts are foolish and some are even more foolish. That is according to your estimate. An estimate that means absolutely nothing. Offering it shows desperation, an inability to comprehend what is being explained to you, or ague rationally. ''Emergent properties arise when the interaction of individual component produce new functions "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts” – Aristotle Multicellullar organisms are capable of completing functions that unicellular organisms could not undertake – this is due to the collective actions of individual cells combining to create new synergistic effects In multicellular organisms: Cells may be grouped together to form tissues Organs are then formed from the functional grouping of multiple tissues Organs that interact may form organ systems capable of carrying out specific body functions Organ systems collectively carry out the life functions of the complete organism''
This one is right at the top of more foolish. You are obfuscating when changing the conversation to the sum of its parts from the effect cannot be equal to or greater than its cause. The idea that natural systems and constructed systems, if you are speaking of living things, is the difference in New York city and a dirt clod. And yet natural systems run down and eventually die. Even go extinct. As much as folks try to get around entropy real life and lab experiments show things go from order to disorder. So yes, even natural systems need The Designer.
Sorry to be blunt but it's quite clear that you don't have a clue. And of course your post assumes the very thing that must be proven and that evolutionists have so far been unable to prove, namely that non-organic matter can generate life or that once life is instantiated, that natural selection can create new life forms from existing ones. There is literally no evidence for either proposition and given the information problem, its easy to see why the theory has failed. The fact that the cognoscenti (guys like Francis Crick) have been reduced to positing space aliens as the source of the necessary information is a stark illustration of the failure of Neo-Darwinism.
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You don't have to believe it. The functioning of your computer - for just one example - is greater than the sum of its parts. The collection of parts in the right order, apply energy and you get marvelous information processing activity that has never existed before computers....and before you invoke a designer, there is a difference between natural systems and obviously constructed systems. Some of you posts are foolish and some are even more foolish. This one is right at the top of more foolish. You are obfuscating when changing the conversation to the sum of its parts from the effect cannot be equal to or greater than its cause. The idea that natural systems and constructed systems, if you are speaking of living things, is the difference in New York city and a dirt clod. And yet natural systems run down and eventually die. Even go extinct. As much as folks try to get around entropy real life and lab experiments show things go from order to disorder. So yes, even natural systems need The Designer. Ringman, Actually you do have a clue. Odd that comment. Computers, machines, automobiles.... they all wear out and die. At the end of the day, what they mean to us at the end of our lives is very little. Animals, sometimes entire species go extinct. They are no more than memories or maybe parts of dead rocks. People die .... then what? Either it is nothing that awaits us or it is The Designer that awaits us..... and keeps life going. It is The Designer that first had the clue. He has passed that on. Eternity.... Eternity.....with The Designer.... that is important. Yep, you have a clue. TF
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Evidence is often rejected in favor of what the majority likes.
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You are certainly displaying ignorance of the Bible's translation...
Truth is often rejected in favor of what the majority likes...
Can I bring your attention to this:
There's NO destroyed like a little piece of firewood.
Malachi 4: (KJV) 1 "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble:
and the day that cometh shall burn them up , saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this,
saith the Lord of hosts."
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You don't have to believe it. The functioning of your computer - for just one example - is greater than the sum of its parts. The collection of parts in the right order, apply energy and you get marvelous information processing activity that has never existed before computers....and before you invoke a designer, there is a difference between natural systems and obviously constructed systems. Some of you posts are foolish and some are even more foolish. That is according to your estimate. An estimate that means absolutely nothing. Offering it shows desperation, an inability to comprehend what is being explained to you, or ague rationally. ''Emergent properties arise when the interaction of individual component produce new functions "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts” – Aristotle Multicellullar organisms are capable of completing functions that unicellular organisms could not undertake – this is due to the collective actions of individual cells combining to create new synergistic effects In multicellular organisms: Cells may be grouped together to form tissues Organs are then formed from the functional grouping of multiple tissues Organs that interact may form organ systems capable of carrying out specific body functions Organ systems collectively carry out the life functions of the complete organism''
This one is right at the top of more foolish. You are obfuscating when changing the conversation to the sum of its parts from the effect cannot be equal to or greater than its cause. The idea that natural systems and constructed systems, if you are speaking of living things, is the difference in New York city and a dirt clod. And yet natural systems run down and eventually die. Even go extinct. As much as folks try to get around entropy real life and lab experiments show things go from order to disorder. So yes, even natural systems need The Designer.
Sorry to be blunt but it's quite clear that you don't have a clue. And of course your post assumes the very thing that must be proven and that evolutionists have so far been unable to prove, namely that non-organic matter can generate life or that once life is instantiated, that natural selection can create new life forms from existing ones. There is literally no evidence for either proposition and given the information problem, its easy to see why the theory has failed. The fact that the cognoscenti (guys like Francis Crick) have been reduced to positing space aliens as the source of the necessary information is a stark illustration of the failure of Neo-Darwinism. Biogenesis is a work in progress. That's how science works. It is the creationist who adopts and endorses a set of beliefs and waves them around as if it was profound knowledge.
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You don't have to believe it. The functioning of your computer - for just one example - is greater than the sum of its parts. The collection of parts in the right order, apply energy and you get marvelous information processing activity that has never existed before computers....and before you invoke a designer, there is a difference between natural systems and obviously constructed systems. Some of you posts are foolish and some are even more foolish. That is according to your estimate. An estimate that means absolutely nothing. Offering it shows desperation, an inability to comprehend what is being explained to you, or ague rationally. ''Emergent properties arise when the interaction of individual component produce new functions "The whole is greater than the sum of its parts” – Aristotle Multicellullar organisms are capable of completing functions that unicellular organisms could not undertake – this is due to the collective actions of individual cells combining to create new synergistic effects In multicellular organisms: Cells may be grouped together to form tissues Organs are then formed from the functional grouping of multiple tissues Organs that interact may form organ systems capable of carrying out specific body functions Organ systems collectively carry out the life functions of the complete organism''
This one is right at the top of more foolish. You are obfuscating when changing the conversation to the sum of its parts from the effect cannot be equal to or greater than its cause. The idea that natural systems and constructed systems, if you are speaking of living things, is the difference in New York city and a dirt clod. And yet natural systems run down and eventually die. Even go extinct. As much as folks try to get around entropy real life and lab experiments show things go from order to disorder. So yes, even natural systems need The Designer.
Sorry to be blunt but it's quite clear that you don't have a clue. Ad hominem doesn't add a thing to your argument. You are going back to the "whole is greater than the sum.." I am saying the effect can not be equal to or greater than the cause. For you to get to multicellular you have to get unicellular life. For about seventy years in labs all over the world both professionals and armatures have proven intelligent humans can not even make proteins or sugars in the correct configuration needed in a living cell. How in the name of logic do you think random chemicals reacting naturally with each other could possibly accomplish something they can't?
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Thankfully Odin, Vili and Ve were kind enough to create the first man and woman...........
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This thing still going on! Good golly molly, it's very simple. The word "evolution" in it's self acknowledges that every thing has evolved from something and that something was created by God.
How simple does it have to be for you guys?
Now, how about them Broncos?
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Truth is often rejected in favor of what the majority likes.
Evidence is often rejected in favor of what the majority likes. The evolutionists and creationists use the same evidence. Evidence does not speak for itself. It is the bias the scientists bring to the lab or field that determines their interpretation of the evidence.
Biogenesis is a work in progress. That's how science works. It is the creationist who adopts and endorses a set of beliefs and waves them around as if it was profound knowledge. You still have not answered the question of Abiogenesis. The scientists have more or less proven life comes from life. (See above.) The simplest cell is considerably more complex than anything man has made; including entire cities. They don't spontaneously come into existence. Time is not the hero of this story. The more time, the more entropy.
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Funny how the totally mysterious and unknowable is somehow given a name = God. . The word "evolution" in it's self acknowledges that every thing has evolved from something
and that something was created by God.
depending on what period of scripture one reads; Torah, Talmud, Septuagint, New Testament, etc you will find that the story / mythological nature or existence of God ,Satan, heaven , hell, ...all changes and evolves. pretty much what took their new fancy at different times was introduced/written in to spice things up.
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The word "evolution" in it's self acknowledges that every thing has evolved from something and that something was created by God.
Which one?
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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Truth is often rejected in favor of what the majority likes.
Evidence is often rejected in favor of what the majority likes. The evolutionists and creationists use the same evidence. Evidence does not speak for itself. It is the bias the scientists bring to the lab or field that determines their interpretation of the evidence.
Biogenesis is a work in progress. That's how science works. It is the creationist who adopts and endorses a set of beliefs and waves them around as if it was profound knowledge. You still have not answered the question of Abiogenesis. The scientists have more or less proven life comes from life. (See above.) The simplest cell is considerably more complex than anything man has made; including entire cities. They don't spontaneously come into existence. Time is not the hero of this story. The more time, the more entropy. It has been shown that entropy can, and is reversed within a system given energy input, loss in one, gain in the other....the system losing energy feeding the system which gains energy and evolves complexity. Plus you are invoking the fallacy of irreducible complexity again. Whole cells did not pop into existence fully formed...organic molocules, RNA, etc.
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158 pages of the same old "if you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bull siht. I gotta admit, some of you guys got that down real good. Any of you making any money on that? Bet not. BS is still pretty cheap.
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when receiving the holy Sprit through Benny , you better damn well have someone catch you when you fall... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdUIqKJyD0Qthe man is brutal..!
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158 pages of the same old "if you can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with bull siht. I gotta admit, some of you guys got that down real good. Any of you making any money on that? Bet not. BS is still pretty cheap. yes I do make money off this "bullshit" middle six figures, not counting patents, and Im retired. although it has more to do with drug transport systems, and the use of genetics to predict disease states as a medical diagnostic tool. I just check into 24 to see if anything going on in guns, which is really, really slow on this site. don't know how bullshit pages have been printed thru history on religion. course we could just watch football and pay them money, I certainly wouldn't mind making what some of those guys are, you making any money watching them?..... jeez anyway Myriad Genetics is working on biogenesis currently, but there are quite a few laws that stop real research. Either in or on the stem cell side. any type of research that announced "life" would be immediately stonewalled by the various religious lobbying groups. If you want to bring yourself up to speed on some of the areas, Computational Molecular Biology, by Pevzner is a good start. you could read it thru commercials.
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Truth is often rejected in favor of what the majority likes.
Evidence is often rejected in favor of what the majority likes. The evolutionists and creationists use the same evidence. Evidence does not speak for itself. It is the bias the scientists bring to the lab or field that determines their interpretation of the evidence.
Biogenesis is a work in progress. That's how science works. It is the creationist who adopts and endorses a set of beliefs and waves them around as if it was profound knowledge. You still have not answered the question of Abiogenesis. The scientists have more or less proven life comes from life. (See above.) The simplest cell is considerably more complex than anything man has made; including entire cities. They don't spontaneously come into existence. Time is not the hero of this story. The more time, the more entropy. Since the cities are made of many units containing the simple cells you outline, your statement is completely ridiculous
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Lets see, is the brilliance part of the b s part? I think the point you make is that you still can't explain what went bang and who lit the fuse.
I ain't watched no tv so give it a shot there Buckwheat.
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The purpose of religion is not to foolishly combat scientific discoveries. Catholicism tried that 500 years ago and the Pope has since aplologized for it. Myth.
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