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It may be #3 but it's been lapped by 1 and 2.
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I think all this switching from one caliber to another is a total waste of taxpayer money . Police departments are always bitching about funding , so let's piss away money on switching -again calibers so all the sub-par people we have can pretend to handle a duty side arm .Either shoot what you're issued or get a job in the library or some other job sucking off the taxpayer .
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In my mind, the 10mm is in another category. It's great as a gun for hiking, fishing etc.in bear country or where there are other potentially dangerous animals. Probably more than needed for self defense in populated areas. But if someone likes it, why not? With Winchester, CCI/Speer and Hornady joining Federal in the defense ammo game (selling basically what amount to warmed over .40 loads) the same auto can be a ideal bear/cat/hog gun and a very respectable self defense gun with a mag change.
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The 40 heads out the door every time I go hiking. Not right now though, so no.
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I have 2 .40's. A model 35 and a 23 Glock. I'm not interested in a 9mm. I own one and I see no reason to own anymore.
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Anyone who says the .40 is "dead" or "dying" is spouting nonsense. It seems to be #3 for full-sized autos. #3 is not dead or dying. The .40 is a "dying caliber" in the same way a .30-06 or .270 or .243 or .30-30 is a "dying caliber". It might be a "worse choice" for many than the 9mm, but it's far more practical than the .45 ACP. M&P9 = 17 rd. M&P40 = 15 rd. M&P45 = 10 rd. Hmmm. LMAO!
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Either shoot what you're issued or get a job in the library or some other job sucking off the taxpayer . Now ya done gone and done it......Goosey is gonna go find himself a taxpayer now........
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I doubt it. 40's are are a great people round. The only thing that comes close is the 9mm now that bullets got better. Talking combat carry arms of course.
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NY State Police dropped the 9mm and adopted the 45 GAP. They had lost several troopers due to multiple failures of the 9mm to instantly neutralize a threat. Not much to argue about. If you want to discuss expensive ammo, check out 45 GAP. However, it has proven itself several times in service. I'm not sure any common defensive/duty handgun chambering can consistently deliver instant neutralization of a threat. CNS hit is about the only way, then a 22 will work.
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My CZ 40 S&W heads out the door with me every time.
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We'll kinda. Pistols ain't no different than rifles. Shot placement and bullet performance. The 40. S&W is about as good a balance as you're gonna get in a light weight handgun round.
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Dying.
Will it hold ground, wither or die?
It could even get a resurgence. A decade or two from now, big shootout, lots dead cops and bad guys.
Some old dude kept his 40 and it was a deciding factor. Just chance, no one sees it that way.
We need a bigger shell in our clips, more power....
Don't own a 40, haven't liked the ones I have shot. Shoot light 380 guns to heavy 44mag 45 colt. I find the 40 much less pleasant than 9 or 45acp.
BUT, A cheap G-22/23 to have laying around for whatever, or a bigger woods gun than my 9?
Even a 26.
I would buy one, or two.
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I could not care less if it withers sway. Everything does. For now....there is nothing better. FWIW...I carry a nine. Ammo's cheaper and I don't rely on luck.
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Best use for .40 brass is necking it down to for 357 SIG. In the G31, that is 16 rds. of ammo matching the 125 gr. 357 Magnum load that has long been considered the gold standard as a manstopper. Extended range, more penetration, plenty accurate, and easier to shoot than the .40.
Expensive, yes. But so is anything that performs at a higher level than something less expensive. And when it is my life or that of someone I care about on the line, price is not one of my criteria. I can carry a lot more capability in the same space as a 9 or a .40, and with a 125 gr. Gold Dot matching 357 Mag loads, I am not concerned about whether or not it will do the job. It penetrates better than the .45 when I need that, reaches better than the others if I need that, and is at least the equal of the .45 in “stopping power”(which I am not convinced of). I have a 1911, and a G17, both of which are plenty capable. But the 31 gets the nod most of the time, because of the sheer superiority of that round in that platform.
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The .45 is amazing and the .40 kinda a waste
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I doubt it. 40's are are a great people round. The only thing that comes close is the 9mm now that bullets got better. Talking combat carry arms of course. I seem to recall 22 shot being able to kill someone. A neck shot IIRC...
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The 40 is very close to "dead" already. It's been "dying" for over a decade.
9mm will rule the roost by FAR. 45ACP is not going to last long as an agency round either, save for nostalgia. 357SIG would be the superior round to all of them if that is what agency's truly wanted.
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The 40 will be at the same level as the 10mm in a few years and be a step above the 357Sig, 45GAP and 38Super. I think the 357 SIG is a better round...
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I doubt it. 40's are are a great people round. The only thing that comes close is the 9mm now that bullets got better. Talking combat carry arms of course. I seem to recall 22 shot being able to kill someone. A neck shot IIRC... I've seen two killed, and several others paralyzed, by a .177 pellet. Of course, center-fire rifles and shotguns are most decisive. A handgun is basically a tool to get, or keep, someone off of you. The "best" one is the biggest one you are comfortable carrying ALL THE TIME. Who you are, where you are, what you do and where you go will determine what is "best".
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I think the 357 SIG is a better round...
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