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Nope.

We have the fossils and the DNA. In other words, we have evidence is support of the theory of evolution by natural selection, so no faith required.

Real science is hard.

But who is defending "magical explanations"? Is it not those Darwinians whom the evidence has forced to hypothecate space aliens to account for the incredibly complex information necessary to instantiate life? It is true some proponents of intelligent design hypothecate God, but the theory itself does not require that God be the intelligent artificer. It only requires some sort of highly advanced intelligence. You mention the solar system, yet the Universe itself appears to have begun in a singularity of time and space out of literally nothing! Cosmologists have been very unhappy with the Big Bank theory since its inception because it implies a beginning and the instantiation of matter out of virtually nothing, thus essentially confirming the Biblical concept of a virtually inexplicable and miraculous creation event. That apparently
magical" event is what science tells us occurred and what a coincidence that it dove tails with the Biblical idea of a special creation event (and a beginning).

We are now at 90 pages and you've finally admitted "how life began is not yet understood, but a work in progress" and blithely, "life evolves". "The work in progress (how life began)" is, as a research venture, virtually dead. Read the literature. Scientists are at a loss to explain the instantiation of life and many are quite blunt about the bleak prospects of ever finding a naturalistic explanation. But hope and faith spring eternal! In any event, what does "life evolves" mean? If it means that finch beaks change in size in consequence of environmental stressors, that is wholly non-controversial, but that is not what Neo-Darwinism is really about, Its about the much grander claim that the same process that causes variation in finch beak size also has the power to morph a finch into existence from some other creature in the first instance. But that idea is contradicted by the evidence at virtually every turn, including (and especially) the fossil record. What we know is that even with intelligent intervention (in the laboratory) species can only change so far (not into new species, mind you) and when the special breeding and selection (by human intelligence) is withdrawn, the specially bred specimens revert back to the mean within a few generations. Thousands of years of dog breeding by human intelligence has not changed a dog into a cat. In other words, biology and genetics overwhelmingly suggests the immutability of species, not their changeability.

Finally, the argument isn't "we don't know, therefore God". The argument is: we know that in all of human experience specified complex information comes from pre-existing intelligence. Specified complex information is a condition precedent to the existence of life. It is essentially impossible that natural processes could have created this information. Reasoning from the evidence to the best explanation then (the same logic Darwin applied!) the best explanation is that some sort of pre-existing super intelligence is responsible for the instantiation and variety of life on earth.

Yep. Especially hard to come up with that missing link.

Such deliberation is not needed, rather does it needs to be over flogged. Only a fool will think we are all alone in this universe. that is where to start all this from.
Now, Call it what you want, Religion, Magik or Science but all these thing were created/made by an entity, God or what anyone wants to believe.
The Universe is fat too complicated to be existing by chance, the possibility of the chances that will take for the universe to form itself all by itself without an original vaccum so absolutely impossible.
As a Christian i belive GOD made all things possible. Science can't understand God and that where the problem lies.

Such deliberation is not needed, rather does it needs to be over flogged. Only a fool will think we are all alone in this universe. that is where to start all this from.
Now, Call it what you want, Religion, Magik or Science but all these thing were created/made by an entity, God or what anyone wants to believe.
The Universe is fat too complicated to be existing by chance, the possibility of the chances that will take for the universe to form itself all by itself without an original vaccum so absolutely impossible.
As a Christian i belive GOD made all things possible. Science can't understand God and that where the problem lies.

I happen to know, I even do a bit of amateur astronomy, star gazing using a Maksitov reflector, the problem is that you are not willing to consider what I say or what I explain.

That's why you should educate yourself by looking at the evidence of star formation for yourself. Not just telescope pictures of star nurseries and star formation but the physics driving star formation, the nuclear process, fusion, hydrogen to helium, etc, by which stars go through the stages of their lifecycles and how this is observed by astronomers and astrophysicists.

Why do educated people believe the evidence of evolution and uneducated people believe pre-literate myths that have been proven not to be true?

Being uneducated should not be a requirement for being a Christian.

Talking snakes, 6000 year old universes, worldwide floods? None of this has anything to do with the message of Jesus. Or with reality.

Not to mention Ringman's feeble attempts to explain gas pressure vs. gravity. While those who believe this drivel are sincere, they are more to be pitied than censured.

With the universe being about 6,000 years old there;s not much time to play with. God added in stars that appear to be of different ages just to fool you infidels.

Jesus quoted Genesis more than any other book. It has lots "to do with the message of Jesus."

A couple years ago there was a non-creationist astronomer on TV who developed a program to plot novas and super novas. His program could track the debris up to about a million years. He enlisted the aid of astronomers from around the world to use his program. After a few years the oldest they could find was about 7,000 years since its destruction. Maybe one of you evolutionists could fill them in on the missing years.

Or is it you guys are not accepting facts.

Like I asked, If there was an Infinite Intelligent Energy Being could He create what we now see in its present state? This is not a trick question. And its more philosophical than science or religion.

Like I asked, If there was an Infinite Intelligent Energy Being could He create what we now see in its present state?

some are convinced that the trees and humans are mirror images of each other. the trees breathe out, and humans breathe in, and vice versa.

No difference from deriving a conclusion from written words, and deriving a conclusion from fossilized artifacts.

Ents.

I am not about to worship science. My God does not change.