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Sounds like that Chuck dude on Better Call Saul.

Okay, 1'st: You apparently have no idea what Roundup does or how it works. It absolutely does not "wipe out vegetation for a year". Roundup has zero pre-emergent or ground sterilization properties. The bacteria in the soil metabolize Roundup to nothing in a matter of hours or possibly days.

Roundup kills by contact with green vegetation. Or, in one case that I am familiar with, mixed with irrigation water and taken up by the roots.

Every other herbacide out there is more dangerous than Roundup. And if you take Roundup away, it will be replaced by those others, and in greater quantities because they are less efficacious. Thank God we have Roundup available instead.

As to your reaction to the chemical and your wife's reaction. If I was a betting man, as the saying goes, I'd be betting on contaminants in the spray equipment from previous use with insecticides. Many insecticides are actually nerve toxins. Absent that possibility, anxiety/panic attacks.

Somebody mentioned DDT. DDT is pretty much harmless to humans. They used to apply the powder directly to humans quite frequently with no noticeable ill effects. DDT was removed from the market, not because it was substantially harmfull to humans, but because it was VERY persistant in the environment. And it was linked to thin egg shells in eagles.

Ever notice those Lawyer Ads on TV. Not a single one of them claim Roundup is confirmed as a carcinogen. They state "it is listed as a POSSIBLE carcinogen by the WHO." If they had any real data the ad sure as hell would not say possible,

Horsesh*t., I know exactly how it works, I've extensively studied the stuff as much as a non-chemist can and have an understanding. After what i experienced I educated myself about the product from all sides.
Roundup has a very unique acid/salt-based molecular structure that is particularly nasty and likely toxic well beyond a myriad of cancers.

The problem is the stuff has been politicized. Enviro-freaks scream about the stuff with zero understanding, Lawyers want their pound of flesh, and likewise Monsanto cronies and those who value the product regardless of effects, extol it as well.

There isn't much middle ground, people love it or hate it.

This thread reminds me of something Rush Limbaugh once said, I'm a huge Rush fan, but when he once commented that second hand smoke was a hoax, and that it posed no health risks to young kids forced to breathe it, I knew that sometimes even smart people are completely full of sh t.

Ya think this is maybe why you transport your nutz in a wheelbarrow................

Roundup has no carry over. If it does not hit a plant before it hits the ground it is inactive. I asked Monsanto to make some that would last a while on the ground to stop future weeds and was told they would like to but it was impossible because of its makeup. Ed k

Better living through chemistry, hey?

Take awhile and read the registration decisions penned by EPA on your favorite whackocide. They are available online via EPA's web site. After that ask yourself what is implied, and ignored.

Then explain why herbicide and pesticide trace of virtually all varieties is found in our aquifer. Perhaps it can be revealed what happens when one or more of these chemicals meet up in the wild? Sort of like mixing 2,4D and 2,4,5T if you get my drift.

A little education never hurts, but Monsanto won't provide that.

I guess most of you guys that think 2, 4D & Round-Up are completely harmless must have forgotten about Agent Orange.

Roundup is probably the safest broad spectrum herbicide we have right now.

We should be using much....much less of it.

Much less.

My neighbor had a mix of Laudis and Roundup sprayed on his corn early this summer, Laudis will provide residual control, this was the second round of spraying on the field near our house. The first round of pre-planting spray was a mixture of 2,4-D, Atrizene, and fertilizer.

https://www.cropscience.bayer.us/Products/herbicides/laudis/label-msds

"Lawyers are boils upon the neck of society that prevent it from turning its head from right to left!"

Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

DD,

The formulations of the pesticides under discussion here are freely available for anyone interested to look. And there are literally thousands of eager young Organic Chemistry students every year who would love nothing better than to come up with definitive proof that any one of those pesticides is the evil spawn of Satan that the greenies like to claim they are. That would be their ticket to fame, fortune, and possibly a Nobel Laureate.

So far, none of these eager young students have been able to discern anything noteworthy where Roundup is concerned.

Where'd you hear that?

I don't really give a flip about eager chemistry students.

There's a fairly popular herbicide on the market that creates somewhere around 7-8 carcinogenic compounds during its natural degradation in the environment. It's approved for use by EPA and the cascade is represented in the registration decision. Do you know which one it is?

Wise words.

From a smart man,
Not a zealot.


Good, bad, or indifferent, I have experienced the numb lips and tongue from
chemical exposure. Not Roundup, but chemicals at work.

I have experienced skin burns from concentrated glyphosate.
Obviously I didn't follow PPE protocol and procedures.
But the point is, that chit gave me the only chemical burns I've ever
had from such a small, short term exposure.

And I have been splashed by many solvents, and phenolic based resins.

One of the "inert" ingredients in Roundup and other herbicides.

Polyethoxylated tallow amine

I have seeded crops into the field only a couple hours after spraying them with a full rate of roundup. Wheat-durum-barley-canola-flax-field peas. No effect on any of them. No carry over. Ed k

EPA can't find schit.

https://www.epa.gov/ingredients-used-pesticide-products/glyphosate

The antis tried for YEARS to link 2,4-d to non-hodgkins lymphoma and never could.

Roundup is a Paper Tiger and nothing more.

Here in CA they have found a small handful of ground applied herbicide trace in the aquifer but nothing like your "virtually all varieties".

That is scary sh t right there, and it's why many of us are doing our best to grow our own food and beef.

A couple weeks ago the guy I lease from was pouring some concrete blocks to put on the cultivator. He grabbed a hose and put on the spray nozzle, went back and turned the valve on. The nozzle was open so he ran to catch it before it sprayed all over. What was coming out of the hose was 100% Roundup. He had used it to fill the sprayer and forgot about it. He was soaked from head to toe. It was in his eyes and mouth.

He’s 76 years old.

Would three days make it not "scary sh t"?

Roundups ionic charge is positive compared to the soil and is tied up instantly.

The meristems would have to be present AND sprayed with the solution for uptake to even occur upon which the seed would shut down and not grow into food.

I think it's great you wanna grow your own food, but telling guys that are using legal practices to grow crops that their way is "scary sh t" is akin to Joe Biden telling you to buy a side by side shotgun for home defense.