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Both news reports seemed to be saying it was a good shoot.
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no word on if he's dead either, maybe on the 10pm news.
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Possibly, how do you interpret Colorado's laws regarding self defense and use of deadly force? If you were attacked by a man wielding a steel pipe what would you do? mike r Your legal hypothesis that " his future was dictated by his past actions", doesn't work in this state. Colorado law is clear, if your opponent disengages from the conflict, you have to stop all aggressive action. If you continue, you are now the aggressor, and the one who will need a good attorney. Not a legal hypothesis at all, normal human reaction to a known threat. The aggression did not stop until the shooting commenced and was finalized in a couple of seconds. The question remains, what would you do if attacked in a similar manner? And yes I have a very good lawyer, and avoid Colorado. mike r
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
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Possibly, how do you interpret Colorado's laws regarding self defense and use of deadly force? If you were attacked by a man wielding a steel pipe what would you do?
mike r When now Congressman Ken Buck was the Weld County DA he declined to prosecute a shooter who killed a man on his front porch making threats and carrying a stick, apparently because he was in fear for his life.
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Possibly, how do you interpret Colorado's laws regarding self defense and use of deadly force? If you were attacked by a man wielding a steel pipe what would you do? mike r Your legal hypothesis that " his future was dictated by his past actions", doesn't work in this state. Colorado law is clear, if your opponent disengages from the conflict, you have to stop all aggressive action. If you continue, you are now the aggressor, and the one who will need a good attorney. Not a legal hypothesis at all, normal human reaction to a known threat. The aggression did not stop until the shooting commenced and was finalized in a couple of seconds. The question remains, what would you do if attacked in a similar manner? And yes I have a very good lawyer, and avoid Colorado. mike r Any fool would have stepped back not into the reach of the tube. Cop was the aggressor in the video It did NOT look like a life threating sitution
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I agree, a fool would hope for the kindness of strangers, wielding a steel pipe in an aggressive manner.
mike r
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Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
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no word on if he's dead either, maybe on the 10pm news. Friend here is a local fireman / EMT Couple of years back he arrived at a scene where a bad guy had gotten shot 7 times with 45 acp FMJ ammo. He said the guy was still on his feet when they arrived and that they had to make him lie down on the stretcher. He also said the same guy was out of the hospital in one week. 2 shots hit the guy in the stomach and one in the lower back area. Guess some folks are just damn lucky!!!!
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Where I live, I don't want to kill anyone. Or anywhere.
That man was no immediate threat to anyone yet. A little standoff distance, call for backup, it probably could have been handled better and safer for everyone.
But, with the cop that close, the first shots will be justified. The last couple? Quite possibly. Once you engage, things are a bit different than before the first actions.
Honestly, like a lot of these shootings lately, The cop may be cleared for the shooting.
The question? Based on their decisions leading up to the need to shoot, should they be cops anymore?
Parents who say they have good kids..Usually don't!
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Maybe he'll get a job in Idaho.
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I agree, a fool would hope for the kindness of strangers, wielding a steel pipe in an aggressive manner.
mike r Steel pipe? Looked, sounded, bounced and he handled it like it was a cardboard tube.
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Perhaps this was a good shoot......perhaps not. I don’t know the whole story. That said, I do get tired of all the piss poor behavior going on. You swing a bit stick, or whatever, at a cop, then you better be ready for some retaliation.
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I found a still of a female officer holding the "pipe" up with one hand, looks to be a light thin metal. I couldn't weight much the way she is holding it. Fat thinks he is bad azzed cowardly Cop forced the situation then murdered the guy
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Looked galvanized, like a chain link fence post.
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I agree, a fool would hope for the kindness of strangers, wielding a steel pipe in an aggressive manner.
mike r Steel pipe? Looked, sounded, bounced and he handled it like it was a cardboard tube. If you click on the link provided by sierrahunter previously, there is a pic of them picking up the object. Sure looks like a pipe to me. here's the link https://www.caller.com/story/news/2...-man-pipe-weber-and-gollihar/2273137001/Was probably planted after the fact for a good photo op. The original was probably one of those non-plastic straws I've heard about.
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Looked galvanized, like a chain link fence post. That’s what I was thinking too
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Looked galvanized, like a chain link fence post. That’s what I was thinking too Too light of a material to hurt even if it was. Wouldn't even knock down a big thistle.
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The guy was swinging a steel pipe at a cop and got shot. I'm completely shocked I'm sure the video doesn't tell the whole story, but the SJW's will be quick to blame the cop instead of the criminal. looks more like a cardboard shipping tube or board, if was a pipe that size it would be pretty heavy. Looks like plastic to me. I agree it is not heavy from the way he is swinging it.
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You have to be foolish enough to belong to Facebook in order to see it...
Mark Begich, Joaquin Jackson, and Heller resistance... Three huge reasons to worry about the NRA.
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Looked galvanized, like a chain link fence post. That’s what I was thinking too Too light of a material to hurt even if it was. Wouldn't even knock down a big thistle. I prolly would’ve backed up if he had been swinging it at me. If he chased me, he might have got kneecapped 😜 For whatever it’s worth, they don’t pay enough damn money for me to be a cop. 😬
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One should wait until you can analyze the sound of the object bouncing off your melon before taking action.
A simple question for the members: If a stranger yielding a large object threatens you or your family what is your planned response?
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