SAS hero with shotgun 'kills five ISIS fighters including two wearing suicide vests in just seven seconds during raid on jihadi bomb factory in Iraq'
- A 12-man SAS team were observing suspected IS bomb factory in Iraq - Performed a dawn raid on the property when they expected attack was imminent - Officer armed with shotgun took down five 'heavily armed men' in quick succession, before several others surrendered
By William Cole For Mailonline
Published: 05:13 EDT, 15 September 2019 | Updated: 05:19 EDT, 15 September 2019
An SAS officer armed with a shotgun has killed five jihadis during a dawn raid, it has been reported.
The intense fire fight was over in just seven seconds, and quickly led to the militant group's surrender of the stronghold.
The covert operation took place on an Islamic State outpost in Baghdad, Iraq.
MI6 agents, working with Iraq's special forces, had identified the building as a suspected bomb factory from which militants would carry out attacks.
A 12-man SAS team was then sent to watch the house for several days.
Upon receiving reports of a planned multiple suicide bombing, the team planned a dawn raid for the next day.
A 'breach team' were the first to enter, breaking through a doorway into a courtyard.
However they were soon faced by a group of heavily armed men, who had reportedly just finished morning prayers and were loading weapons into a vehicle.
One of the officers, armed with a Benelli M4 Super 90 semi-automatic shotgun, fired at them, killing three would-be bombers.
Another two terrorists then appeared from a building, but before they could fire off a shot they had been neutralised them as well.
'The terrorists were no more than a few feet away when the SAS team came face to face with them,' a source told the Daily Star about the raid late last year.
'One of the breach team opened fire with a shotgun and shot dead three before they could get a shot off. Another two terrorists appeared from a building and he neutralised them as well.
'Several other terrorists emerged from the building but immediately surrendered and began panicking as two of the bodies didn’t have heads – they thought they were about to be executed.'
It was reported that two suicide vests, one weighing 30lbs, were found on the dead men. They were made mostly from ball bearings and plastic explosives.
At least one officer on a raid is armed with a 12 gauge pump-action Benelli shotgun, which is usually used to blast through locks and remove hinges from doors.
The Ministry of Defence does not comment on special forces operations.
A friend who commanded a DEA breaching team told me his shotgun was usually loaded with slugs made of dental cement for taking out door locks and/or hinges. I can see that kind of load being able to behead someone with the right shot placement. Jerry
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Two points--I doubt it was an officer and since when is an M4 a pump action?
Two Points :1. 2. Twelve man SAS squads are led by an officer Bonus point: Your're an idiot..
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Two points--I doubt it was an officer and since when is an M4 a pump action?
Two Points :1. 2. Twelve man SAS squads are led by an officer Bonus point: Your're an idiot..
Yeah, dumbphuck--that's a semi auto. It's the M3 that can be pump or auto. I know who leads teams, but I also know that the breacher with a shotgun isn't normally an officer.
Two points--I doubt it was an officer and since when is an M4 a pump action?
Two Points :1. 2. Twelve man SAS squads are led by an officer Bonus point: Your're an idiot..
Yeah, dumbphuck--that's a semi auto. It's the M3 that can be pump or auto. I know who leads teams, but I also know that the breacher with a shotgun isn't normally an officer.
Like you, the media is FOS. The article said M4 BUT also quoted a "pump." The easiest solution is to check the TOE of an SAS Team. I was just pointing out that an M4 exists (which your poorly worded post alludes to). As to the officer, I suppose we'll never know, but he was most likely a non-commissioned officer, which is a typical error made by the media. you must read a lot...
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Two points--I doubt it was an officer and since when is an M4 a pump action?
Two Points :1. 2. Twelve man SAS squads are led by an officer Bonus point: Your're an idiot..
Yeah, dumbphuck--that's a semi auto. It's the M3 that can be pump or auto. I know who leads teams, but I also know that the breacher with a shotgun isn't normally an officer.
Like you, the media is FOS. The article said M4 BUT also quoted a "pump." The easiest solution is to check the TOE of an SAS Team. I was just pointing out that an M4 exists (which your poorly worded post alludes to). As to the officer, I suppose we'll never know, but he was most likely a non-commissioned officer, which is a typical error made by the media. you must read a lot...
I was merely pointing out the mistakes in the article and you jumped on me and now have agreed with both the points that I raised.
A friend who commanded a DEA breaching team told me his shotgun was usually loaded with slugs made of dental cement for taking out door locks and/or hinges. I can see that kind of load being able to behead someone with the right shot placement. Jerry
"Dental Cement"?
For the life of me I can't think of a product we have that would do the job. I'd like to here more about it.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
Maybe a bunch of modern day form of buck and ball rounds for humans loaded in before 1 or 2 breaching rounds. .
Hatton or breaching rounds are primarily to prevent or minimize harm to hostages or innocents, in this particular case there may have been no need for Hattons.
Originally Posted by AcesNeights
It’s unfortunate that they took prisoners.
depends, those taken alive may be able to provide very useful information, what you do with them after is another matter.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
An officer (captain) will head a SAS troop (16 men)... 4x troops make a squadron (typically headed by a major) but a smaller team drawn from a troop will usually be led by NCO.
NCOs operate like a small mafia in the SAS, typically they get to choose which officers pass selection..
NCOs stay with the regiment for much longer than young officers who seek advancement, as such they are deeply imbedded in the regiment and in the 'regiments ways'.
its said: "The NCOs are the SAS. Officers come and go but the NCOs provide the continuity."
Originally Posted by UPhiker
I was merely pointing out the mistakes in the article and you jumped on me ....
yeh but he had to jump on you just so he could add the value of his own mistakes.
-Bulletproof and Waterproof don't mean Idiotproof.
This brings me back to a question. Why aren't semi auto shotguns used more often than pump? Are the semi's just not reliable enough for CQC?
Beats me. Never understood it. Today the short recoil / beretta style system ain't far from 100%. But before that the old Browning long recoil system, as in A5, was there as well. If there is a pump shotgun the equal or better than those two I'll be surprised to know.
Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version) "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
Sometimes though not always, the workaday pump has a larger mag capacity than autos. They are more reliable and can quickly shuck a round that doesn't fire. Pumps in experienced hands give little if any ground to autos for rate of fire if hitting targets is considered important.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
....don't believe it. Nope, none, nary a one..and hand cranking a fresh round is short work. Hate to disagree there DD...normally you seem to have good sense.
Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version) "And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
its said: "The NCOs are the SAS. Officers come and go but the NCOs provide the continuity."
FLASH, just like in just about any other branch. In the Naval services (where you know, I have actual experience), Chief Petty Officers ARE (or were the backbone). Commissioned Officers do generally stay for a much shorter period in order to get their "ticket punched" and move onto other areas in order to enhance their Fitness Reports. But how would you know this..... But do continue regaling us with your google search prowess...And here's another clue for you, the "O" in NCO stands for "Officer", meaning the raid COULD have been lead by either an NCO or a full Zero.
PS: remember this, when flying, if you push the stick forward the houses get bigger, pull the stick back and they get smaller At least for a time, depending on your thrust to weight ratio. Get back to us on the value of this profundity...
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
....don't believe it. Nope, none, nary a one..and hand cranking a fresh round is short work. Hate to disagree there DD...normally you seem to have good sense.
I have a full life's perspective garnered from use of many models of both styles. There be junk in both aisles to be sure, but given equal quality the pump is preferred. There were more than a few grunt point men in 'Nam that carried a Win. Mod 12 in preference to all other options when cruising the jungle hills and mountains.
To follow up on Jorge's thoughts a little, NCO's carve their rank with sweat and diligence. Only takes the signature of the branch secretary to make a W/O. It takes an act of Congress to make an officer.
Last edited by DigitalDan; 09/18/19.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
Our WW1 soldiers used the trench guns, Winchester M97's, and word was that the Germans were so afraid of them, that they cried to have them outlawed.
Well, they succeded to an extend. No use of bare lead projectiles in shot guns in war. On the home front, those sawed off shot guns used in war were restricted in the U.S. in 1934.
This brings me back to a question. Why aren't semi auto shotguns used more often than pump? Are the semi's just not reliable enough for CQC?
Beats me. Never understood it. Today the short recoil / beretta style system ain't far from 100%. But before that the old Browning long recoil system, as in A5, was there as well. If there is a pump shotgun the equal or better than those two I'll be surprised to know.
Well stated. Also with these two shotguns, in an intense situation such as described in the story, no worry about short stroking the pump or having gun not shouldered and on target between rounds. But I think the guys using a shotgun as in this story would never have to worry about not being absolutely reliable with any weapon they employ. God bless our young men and others from the free world who choose to serve in spite of such risks to their own live and welfare. The new Benelli shotguns are about as foolproof as a stone ax.
its said: "The NCOs are the SAS. Officers come and go but the NCOs provide the continuity."
FLASH, just like in just about any other branch. In the Naval services (where you know, I have actual experience), Chief Petty Officers ARE (or were the backbone). Commissioned Officers do generally stay for a much shorter period in order to get their "ticket punched" and move onto other areas in order to enhance their Fitness Reports. But how would you know this..... But do continue regaling us with your google search prowess...And here's another clue for you, the "O" in NCO stands for "Officer", meaning the raid COULD have been lead by either an NCO or a full Zero. PS: remember this, when flying, if you push the stick forward the houses get bigger, pull the stick back and they get smaller At least for a time, depending on your thrust to weight ratio. Get back to us on the value of this profundity...
LMAO! You are on a roll this week.
"The Democrat Party looks like Titanic survivors. Partying and celebrating one moment, and huddled in lifeboats freezing the next". Hatari 2017
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Han Solo
.And here's another clue for you, the "O" in NCO stands for "Officer", meaning the raid COULD have been lead by either an NCO or a full Zero.
Give up and just admit that you made a mistake. Nobody (especially themselves) considers NCOs officers.
No, my point was twofold, the mistake COULD have been made by the author of the piece who called the shotgun toter and "officer" and it is not outside the realm of probability it could have been a "real" officer. Both the SAS and SEAL teams have used Os in missions/actions not generally performed by them. Point being, the media has the bad habit of misuse of the term "officer" .
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Always makes me uneasy when these combat exploits are put before the public, especially in those cases where it’s attached to a name (not the case here but people could find out who the guy is). Doesn’t seem like anything good comes of it.
First off, that person probably already has all the acclaim they care for, that being the respect of their peers within the combat arms community. That and the knowledge that when it counted, they came through for their comrades in arms.
Put these deeds before the public and there’s the very real danger of retaliation against themselves and their families.
Then later on in life, for the rest of their life, they’re the guy who killed those five guys or whatever. This may well be a topic they might not want to discuss.
Most combat veterans I’ve known didn’t want to talk about it, especially to people who ain’t been there.
JMHO
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