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Some of you guys are thinking of the Knipco style heaters made for heating outdoor work spaces, shops etc.
That isn't what the OP is talking about.
The deer hunter does not notice the mountains
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Either way, care should be taken with any kind of gas source, temporary heat. Ventilation is key, even with propane.
The deer hunter does not notice the mountains
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - Isoroku Yamamoto
There sure are a lot of America haters that want to live here...
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This bad boy is what I’m talking about ( or similar). All 10k btu’s of goodness. Auto strike didn’t work. Had to tilt the globe and light with match.
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I had a Sears just like this when my wife and I rented an old farm house back in early 80's. We always kept windows closed. It was Minnesota! She died of cancer in 2011 I feel pretty good go figure. whelennut
I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger! There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.
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These type work well too in the right location where heat can be dispersed 360° safely and also are rated at 23,000btu output now.
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Had them in the house growing up as a kid but don't really know if that was an okay thing or a really bad thing. Have a couple extras and thinking about it while making preparations for upcoming cold weather. Read stuff online and it's about 50/50. What do you guys think? If you're thinking of the free-standing ones with a round wick, they're dangerous as hell. Lotsa folks had them in deepest, darkest Appalachia when I was growing up, but all tbe houses around were old and drafty which is probably the only reason no one died. We never had one. We just shoveled more coal into the stove.
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We had one when I was a kid, in the 70’s. I can remember my dad buying the kerosene at the gas station. Is that normally where one bought kerosene? A lot of gas stations depending on location used to have both kerosene and white gas (naptha) pumps.
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Not one like this:
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time. --Pat Parelli
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We had one when I was a kid, in the 70’s. I can remember my dad buying the kerosene at the gas station. Is that normally where one bought kerosene? Kerosene comes in a couple forms/grades. The "at the pump" grade is the least pure and should NEVER be used for unvented indoor heaters even with the window open. People did it all the time as they were/are unaware. https://staroil.co.uk/what-you-should-know-about-different-grades-of-kerosene/ Indoor heaters Require 1K Kerosene and that "pure" grade is never sold at the pump, it is sold in bottles of gallon jugs and it is very expensive.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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We had one when I was a kid, in the 70’s. I can remember my dad buying the kerosene at the gas station. Is that normally where one bought kerosene? A lot of gas stations depending on location used to have both kerosene and white gas (naptha) pumps. But never 1K which is what these heaters require to operate within safety guidelines.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Ventilation is your friend, along with a CO detector. CO detectors are required in new home construction. They are usually a combo unit that doubles as a smoke detector and a CO detector. One must be placed within 10 feet of bedroom doors and mechanical areas. In a remodeling situation if a wall is opened up, then code dictates that that floor must now have a Smoke/CO detector installed. It's easy guys, just go to your local big box store or Washington Post Amazon and purchase a couple Smoke/CO combos to replace your existing single smoke detectors. Indoor heater or no, it's a good idea to do it now.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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These type work well too in the right location where heat can be dispersed 360° safely and also are rated at 23,000btu output now. I use that kind in my garage when it drops below 20 degrees. It works great and puts out quite a bit of heat.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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If one is running an unvented flame of any kind indoors for sure have a carbon monoxide detector. Even then don't risk it in sleeping quarters. Is one willing to bet his life on an electronic device? If one develops even the slightest of headaches, shut it down and get to fresh air immediately. CO has a much greater affinity for hemoglobin than oxygen, so ones hemes are quickly saturated with CO and cannot adsorb oxygen. CO really hangs on, so it's a slow process for ones system to get back to normal where it can pick up O2 again.
One does not get a redo with life, and there's still sh-t I want to do.
Cookie uses a Little Buddy to knock the chill off in our dome tents. Even with it's supposed safety systems and the tent's meshed panels, it's never on for more than 5 minutes.
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If one is running an unvented flame of any kind indoors for sure have a carbon monoxide detector. Even then don't risk it in sleeping quarters. Are you willing to bet your life on an electronic device? If one develops even the slightest of headaches, shut it down and get to fresh air immediately. CO has a much greater affinity for hemoglobin than oxygen, so ones hemes are quickly saturated. It really hangs on, so it's a slow process for ones system to get back to normal where it can assimilate oxygen. One does not get a redo with life. Why "if running an unvented flame"? Why not bring your house up to fire/safety codes and put one in regardless if you have an open flame heater or not. Money well spent. https://www.amazon.com/Kidde-210260...ative=165953&creativeASIN=B00PC5S0PA
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Why "if running an unvented flame"? There are no free rides, and with only a few exceptions (like maybe nitro-methane, burning magnesium under water, and explosives) all that burns on our planet consumes atmospheric oxygen. Methane, ethane, propane, butane, kerosene, alcohols, gasoline, wood, coal, etc are all carbon based. If the combustion residues/gases can escape our enclosed space via a chimney or vent of some sort, the bad stuff leaves ones enclosure and atmospheric air of the typical composition seeps in via unsealed avenues with life being good. If there is no avenue of escape, those toxins accumulate in our room until ones flame is literally starved to death. When O2 begins to get short, combustion keeps going, but it will generate CO as opposed to the normal CO2. Life ends. Put a lighted candle in a jar and screw on the lid. Ones flame does not last long. That's why with even a wood stove we have a chimney and an intake to bring in outside air. I'm old and recall a time when power was out for days due to a heavy snow event. The old man brought a burning charcoal grill inside as a heat source. I also remember getting weary and suffering a severe headache. Headaches are an extremely rare event for me. We're lucky the whole family lived through that night.
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These type work well too in the right location where heat can be dispersed 360° safely and also are rated at 23,000btu output now. I use one just like that to heat a small workshop I have when it gets really cold. It's got a big electric heater, but the kerosene heater heats up a lot faster and is warmer. I buy kerosene at the local farm store. It's pricey, but I don't burn much, so it's not too bad.
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We had one when I was a kid, in the 70’s. I can remember my dad buying the kerosene at the gas station. Is that normally where one bought kerosene? Kerosene comes in a couple forms/grades. The "at the pump" grade is the least pure and should NEVER be used for unvented indoor heaters even with the window open. People did it all the time as they were/are unaware. https://staroil.co.uk/what-you-should-know-about-different-grades-of-kerosene/ Indoor heaters Require 1K Kerosene and that "pure" grade is never sold at the pump, it is sold in bottles of gallon jugs and it is very expensive. K-1 grade Kerosene most certainly is sold "at the pump" at gas stations. Not many have it anymore but it still is at some. It is stored in separate tanks and pumped through different independant pumps (clearly marked K-1) than Diesel and home heating fuel oil. We had one when I was a kid, in the 70’s. I can remember my dad buying the kerosene at the gas station. Is that normally where one bought kerosene? A lot of gas stations depending on location used to have both kerosene and white gas (naptha) pumps. But never 1K which is what these heaters require to operate within safety guidelines. Not many do offer it anymore but below is a link to a list of a few brand name gas stations that offer K-1 "at the pump" at some locations and I know of few more locally owned private branded stations that still sell it "at the pump", as well. (Matter of fact there were lines of people at local stations with K-1 pumps waiting their turn to fill kerosene cans during the lengthy widespread power outage in winter ice storm of 2009 -- I was one of them.} https://firstquarterfinance.com/gas-stations-with-kerosene-near-me/
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Why "if running an unvented flame"? There are no free rides, and with only a few exceptions (like maybe nitro-methane, burning magnesium under water, and explosives) all that burns on our planet consumes atmospheric oxygen. Methane, ethane, propane, butane, kerosene, alcohols, gasoline, wood, coal, etc are all carbon based. If the combustion residues/gases can escape our enclosed space via a chimney or vent of some sort, the bad stuff leaves ones enclosure and atmospheric air of the typical composition seeps in via unsealed avenues with life being good. If there is no avenue of escape, those toxins accumulate in our room until ones flame is literally starved to death. When O2 begins to get short, combustion keeps going, but it will generate CO as opposed to the normal CO2. Life ends. Put a lighted candle in a jar and screw on the lid. Ones flame does not last long. That's why with even a wood stove we have a chimney and an intake to bring in outside air. I'm old and recall a time when power was out for days due to a heavy snow event. The old man brought a burning charcoal grill inside as a heat source. I also remember getting weary and suffering a severe headache. Headaches are an extremely rare event for me. We're lucky the whole family lived through that night. Like I said. Why not bring your house up to fire/safety codes and put one in regardless if you have an open flame heater or not.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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We had one when I was a kid, in the 70’s. I can remember my dad buying the kerosene at the gas station. Is that normally where one bought kerosene? Kerosene comes in a couple forms/grades. The "at the pump" grade is the least pure and should NEVER be used for unvented indoor heaters even with the window open. People did it all the time as they were/are unaware. https://staroil.co.uk/what-you-should-know-about-different-grades-of-kerosene/ Indoor heaters Require 1K Kerosene and that "pure" grade is never sold at the pump, it is sold in bottles of gallon jugs and it is very expensive. K-1 grade Kerosene most certainly is sold "at the pump" at gas stations. Not many have it anymore but it still is at some. It is stored in separate tanks and pumped through different independant pumps (clearly marked K-1) than Diesel and home heating fuel oil. We had one when I was a kid, in the 70’s. I can remember my dad buying the kerosene at the gas station. Is that normally where one bought kerosene? A lot of gas stations depending on location used to have both kerosene and white gas (naptha) pumps. But never 1K which is what these heaters require to operate within safety guidelines. Not many do offer it anymore but below is a link to a list of a few brand name gas stations that offer K-1 "at the pump" at some locations and I know of few more locally owned private branded stations that still sell it "at the pump", as well. (Matter of fact there were lines of people at local stations with K-1 pumps waiting their turn to fill kerosene cans during the lengthy widespread power outage in winter ice storm of 2009 -- I was one of them.} https://firstquarterfinance.com/gas-stations-with-kerosene-near-me/ See if it is dyed red? The first grade is designated as 1-K. This is pure, high energy version that is slightly yellow in color to clear. By weight it has a maximum content of sulfur of 0.04 percent. This makes it possible to burn this substance without having a flue or other venting method. It does not produce a number of fumes or impurities and residence should remain safe from air quality related concerns.
One very important thing to note, however, is that this is hardly the case with options that have been dyed red. Even if they fall within this same grade, they are in no way to be considered pure. They will produce far more fumes and impurities when burned, and should not be used in areas that lack flues or other acceptable methods of venting. https://staroil.co.uk/what-you-should-know-about-different-grades-of-kerosene/
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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The best unvented kerosene heaters still produce noticeable odor and they all produce carbon monoxide. Just my opinion, but it’s only September. I would do whatever is necessary to install an outside vented system of some kind, be it kero, propane or wood, before I went into winter planning on heating with an indoor, unvented kerosene heater.
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