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Looking for a bolt action 223 to shoot paper and to hunt whitetail deer. Which factory bolt actions have the correct length mag box or detachable magazine as well a a fast twist barrel?
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Well, that sure is the crux of the 24hcf and all drama associated.
You can certainly kill deer with a slow twist .223 though
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Well, that sure is the crux of the 24hcf and all drama associated.
You can certainly kill deer with a slow twist .223 though
Yep, a 1in 9 works just fine.
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Well, that sure is the crux of the 24hcf and all drama associated.
You can certainly kill deer with a slow twist .223 though
I understand and hated to even post the question but I don't own a 223 and want to buy one. I wondered if any factory 223 bolt actions had everything the 24HCF deems necessary?
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Closest would be the Ruger Precision Rifle in .223 with Accurate Mags or MDT 10 rounders I do believe.
Tikka makes a 1-8" twist but mags have to be modded.
It really is a shame nobody has done better.
Building schit right has become way easier though.
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Tikka T3X with a 1-8" twist is an option you may want to consider.
My apologies to Higbean, I didn't see your post.
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I have Shaen Rifles doing a 21", 1-7" Bartlein in .223AI throated for 75's and 88's at the moment.
It'd be easier to build what you want and Shaen has stuff figured out rather well.
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The Tikka is the easy choice if you want a moderately priced quality rifle. The Sierra 77 grain TMK performs beautifully at magazine length
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Closest would be the Ruger Precision Rifle in .223 with Accurate Mags or MDT 10 rounders I do believe.
Tikka makes a 1-8" twist but mags have to be modded.
. Another vote for Tikka here, for sure. Get the 1 in 8 twist. No real reason to modify the mags unless you just feel compelled to shoot 75 grainers. Lots of truly good deer bullets in the 55-65 grain range that require no mods. Another one I just bought was a HOWA 1500 Kuiu with a 1 in 8 twist....been very happy with it, but you won't be modifying the mag on it. Accuracy wise I think the Tikka has the edge.
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55 grain TSX out of a plain old Stevens 200 1:9 twist worked very well for my daughter for a couple of years in Oklahoma. A buddy used the 63 grain Sierra SMP out of a 1:12 barrel to kill deer down there as well. So I'd buy the rifle you like the best regardless of twist, then find a bullet that'll work for your application.
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55 grain TSX out of a plain old Stevens 200 1:9 twist worked very well for my daughter for a couple of years in Oklahoma. A buddy used the 63 grain Sierra SMP out of a 1:12 barrel to kill deer down there as well. So I'd buy the rifle you like the best regardless of twist, then find a bullet that'll work for your application.
that 63 gr SMP Sierra is a darn good deer bullet.... but my favorite of the old slow twist 22 cal bullets for deer is the often overlooked Speer 70 grain SMP... a stiff load of RL 15 in a 223 case, out of my Win Featherweight clocks at about 2950 fps... blacktails taken with that rifle have been bang flop kills... a spinal cord hit on the backbone on one shot at 200 yds in the neck from behind, came out the throat the size of an open book.
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I have a Boat Paddle Ruger Stainless Mk II that does all I want from a 223. I think I’ll keep it.
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Looking for a bolt action 223 to shoot paper and to hunt whitetail deer. Which factory bolt actions have the correct length mag box or detachable magazine as well a a fast twist barrel? Used Kimber Mt.
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I'm thinking of sending my Ruger American Ranch stock to CDI for the DBM install. The 5.56 throat is perfect for the 75 Amax. and 1-8" twist. Factory rotary mag sucks. I have a bunch of AI 223 mags (that work and allow longer COL). Anybody tried the CDI conversion for $149? http://www.cdiprecisiongunworksstore.com/ruger-american-short-action-factory-stock-dbm/
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I’m happy with my Montana. I have loads for the 55 SGK, 65 SGK and the 70 grain Speer Semi-Sptizer which is more of a round nose IMO. I use the 70 Speer on deer and it works well, just don’t expect the type of blood trail you would get from a larger rifle. I haven’t had a deer stop that bullet yet, but the exits are small in comparison to deer that I kill with bigger cartridges.
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If you don't mind $700 Tikka. If you want to keep it closer to, or maybe under $400, the Ruger Predator. My brother has an 8 twist Tikka and I have the Predator. Both shoot 1/2 MOA groups with decent ammo. I've had good luck with 75 gr Hornady ammo. Not sure if my brother has tried anything that long in his Tikka.
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Thanks for all of the responses.
Budget? Kimber Montana is probably close to the top.
Barrett? Does Barrett have a 223 yet?
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Have a Kimber Montana 223 and I would recommend that. Might try a Fieldcraft myself someday if they ever get it out.
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Thanks for all of the responses.
Budget? Kimber Montana is probably close to the top.
Barrett? Does Barrett have a 223 yet?
Barrett does not have a .223 out yet. For Barrett money, you could do a Tikka in a McMillan/Manners, inlet for m5 dbm and run 5 rd Accurate Mags.
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Kimber isn't making a .223 Montana anymore either fwiw
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Thanks for all of the responses.
Budget? Kimber Montana is probably close to the top.
Barrett? Does Barrett have a 223 yet?
Barrett does not have a .223 out yet. For Barrett money, you could do a Tikka in a McMillan/Manners, inlet for m5 dbm and run 5 rd Accurate Mags. Or look for a Barrett in 22-250. There were some on sale for ~$1200 earlier this year. Not sure if there are any still floating around at that price. Whittaker’s might know.
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Best part about a 22-250 Field Craft is you could punch it .22 Creedmoor, which isn't a .223 last I checked.
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Sucks about CDI. Didn’t know that.
100% yes on the Fieldcraft 22-250. No on the Fieldcraft 223 if ever produced due to short mag box.
I have a Ruger American 1-8” 22-250 for sale in classifieds. Whittaker special with the fast twist and stainless barrel. And you can use the better mags, which I do.
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I have had quite a number of 223s over the years. The only one that has stayed, and will never leave, is the Kimber Montana. More precisely, once I got it the rest became dust collectors.
A no-brainer, be patient and find a used one.
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Kimber isn't making a .223 Montana anymore either fwiw True, but Whittaker’s had twenty-five 223 Montana’s from Kimber’s final run of the caliber back in late Feb. that were priced at $1150.00 shipped. Might be worth a call to see if any are left.
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I like the little Howa Mini 223 with 22" tube. The magazine is not my favorite but have gotten used to it. It accurate, lightweight and well balanced. 1:9 twist on these.
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I own both a Tikka and several CZ 527 rifles, including .223, .222. 204 and .22 Hornet. For the money, buy a CZ and never look back. One of the most accurate out of the box rifles you can own, center fire or rim fire. But, I also own a Savage .204 that cost less than either a Tikka or a CZ and it will also shoot .5", or less groups.
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If you move forward with the Tikka purchase the larger magazine and replace the bolt stop to utilize the longer OAL.
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Looking for a bolt action 223 to shoot paper and to hunt whitetail deer. Which factory bolt actions have the correct length mag box or detachable magazine as well a a fast twist barrel? For the stated purposes, you don't really need a long mag box or a fast twist. As has been said, Hornady 60 grain & Sierra 63 SMP would do both jobs splendidly all day long, even in a 1:12 twist. For similar purposes to yours, I ended up with a Marin X7S that has a blind box & a 9-twist. It was goin' too cheap, & felt good in my hands. Such as it is, I don't live or hunt in an area where I could watch longer bullets show their stuff. I've used the previously mentioned bullets, along with the 55 grain TTSX with complete satisfaction. Just another opinion. No doubt you'll get plenty more. Let us know what you choose. FC
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I wanted to follow up with what I purchased. I found a Tikka T3 locally at a good price. I have wanted to try a Tikka and a 223 so this rifle fits both wants. What is the best for mounts and rings for the Tikka?
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Closest would be the Ruger Precision Rifle in .223 with Accurate Mags or MDT 10 rounders I do believe.
Tikka makes a 1-8" twist but mags have to be modded.
It really is a shame nobody has done better.
Building schit right has become way easier though. The one I got from you will shoot 75s into knots
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Talley rings are best bang for the $
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Modified Talley lows from Whittaker Guns. 16bore’s dad use to make them. They’re all I have on my Tikkas.
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I wanted to follow up with what I purchased. I found a Tikka T3 locally at a good price. I have wanted to try a Tikka and a 223 so this rifle fits both wants. What is the best for mounts and rings for the Tikka? Congrats on your rifle and Happy Birthday!
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Friend of mine bought a Winchester Ranger Model 70 back about 20 years ago at Walmart...1/12 twist I believe... Now has 40+- whitetails and hogs all one shot flops. Ammo of choice has been the Winchester 64 grain PowerPoint and a few with the Trophy Bonded.
Had two doe run at the shot...one made 30 yards and the other did a little circle and drop...all others just flopped right there. Only bullet recovered was from a 150# 8-point that his wife shot in the shoulder at 150 yards...bullet was recovered under the skin on the opposite side...
I sent him a Remington 600 Mohawk that was rechambered to .223 from .222. He took one deer with it so far with I believe a 63 grain Sierra SMP that I sent him...
His Uncle used to kill all his deer with a .222...no fast twist guns back then.
If I was looking for a lightweight .223 it would be the Remington Model SEVEN stainless synthetic...they do now have a 1/9 twist barrel...
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55 grain TSX out of a plain old Stevens 200 1:9 twist worked very well for my daughter for a couple of years in Oklahoma. A buddy used the 63 grain Sierra SMP out of a 1:12 barrel to kill deer down there as well. So I'd buy the rifle you like the best regardless of twist, then find a bullet that'll work for your application.
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