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SAN FRANCISCO – Fix global warming or cook dinner on a gas stove?
That’s the choice for people in 13 cities and one county in California that have enacted new zoning codes encouraging or requiring all-electric new construction.
The codes, most of them passed since June, are meant to keep builders from running natural gas lines to new homes and apartments, with an eye toward creating fewer legacy gas hookups as the nation shifts to carbon-neutral energy sources.
For proponents, it's a change that must be made to fight climate change. For natural gas companies, it's a threat to their existence. And for some cooks who love to prepare food with flame, it's an unthinkable loss.
Natural gas is a fossil fuel, mostly methane, and produces 33% of U.S. carbon dioxide emissions from electricity generation, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Carbon dioxide is the primary greenhouse gas causing climate change.
“There’s no pathway to stabilizing the climate without phasing gas out of our homes and buildings. This is a must-do for the climate and a livable planet,” said Rachel Golden of the Sierra Club’s building electrification campaign.
These new building codes come as local governments work to speed the transition from natural gas and other fossil fuels and toward the use of electricity from renewables, said Robert Jackson, a professor of energy and the environment at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California.
“Every house, every high-rise that’s built with gas, may be in place for decades. We’re establishing infrastructure that may be in place for 50 years,” he said.
These "reach" or "stretch" building codes, as they are known, have so far all been passed in California. The first was in Berkeley in July, then more in Northern California and recently Santa Monica in Southern California. Other cities in Massachusetts, Oregon and Washington state are contemplating them, according to the Sierra Club.
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Delivery: Varies Your Email Some of the cities ban natural gas hookups to new construction. Others offer builders incentives if they go all-electric, much the same as they might get to take up more space on a lot if a house is extra energy-efficient. In April, Sunnyvale, a town in Silicon Valley, changed its building code to offer a density bonus to all-electric developments.
No more gas stoves? The building codes apply only to new construction beginning in 2020, so they aren’t an issue for anyone in an already-built home.
Probably the biggest stumbling block for most pondering an all-electric home is the prospect of not having a gas stove.
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This is coming from a state has been shutting off electricity to thousands of customers for months.
This should be a real money saver huh ?
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I guess a smart perso would need a diesel generatir
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Those people out there are nuts!
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from the article:
"The building codes apply only to new construction beginning in 2020, so they aren’t an issue for anyone in an already-built home."
They'll get around to eliminating the existing gas appliances soon after passing this legislation
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Coming soon to CA- registration of generators and BBQ tanks, followed by confiscation.
A precedent was set with bump stocks that will be applied to whatever is considered to be the next evil.
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from the article:
"The building codes apply only to new construction beginning in 2020, so they aren’t an issue for anyone in an already-built home."
They'll get around to eliminating the existing gas appliances soon after passing this legislation Oh sure. Carbon tax on all new gas appliances to double their cost. Idiots.
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If our country would shut down anything powered by fossil fuels in any way, the general public would have all the idiot's heads on a pike by the end of that experiment.
Includes elec. generated by coal, & NG...
People don't have a clue.
Their grocery shelves would be empty in hours, all grids would be down, pretty much instant regression by 200 years.
All their emotion fueled ideas would die with them.
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A more effective path to reducing CO2 emissions would be to reduce the planet's population by 80%, give or take a little.
Got fleas?
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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Well, I have 3 bbq's, one gas, one charcoal, one electric so I'm covered that way.
Just installed a high $ professional-grade domestic gas stove after years of hatefully using one of those crappy flat-top electric ranges. For that reason, they can go flagellate themselves.
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First bump stocks next rubber bands.
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A more effective path to reducing CO2 emissions would be to reduce the planet's population by 80%, give or take a little.
Got fleas? All liberals would be a good start on that experiment.... But in order for one to believe that getting rid of mankind would change anything related to the earth, weather, warming or cooling by any significant amount, you would be a card carrying member of the global warming religion... I don't believe that BS. Not in the least.
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They are insane. Natural gas is a very clean form of energy. We are the Saudi Arabia of natural gas, and we have enough to last us for 200 years, if we used natural gas and nothing else for energy. It is clean burning. And they demand electric only, where do they think the electicity comes from, at night when there is no wind. Either coal or nuke, and libs hate nuke.
My state is really backwards. We have a huge coal fired electric plant in Asheville NC, next year, they are going to switch it over to natural gas.
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A more effective path to reducing CO2 emissions would be to reduce the planet's population by 80%, give or take a little.
Got fleas? All liberals would be a good start on that experiment.... But in order for one to believe that getting rid of mankind would change anything related to the earth, weather, warming or cooling by any significant amount, you would be a card carrying member of the global warming religion... I don't believe that BS. Not in the least. I got a problem with their theories as well.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
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I have an electric stove.
Its probably from the 70's.
In no hurry to replace it....but it did die I would go with gas.
The is sure a difference!
Go for it California! We will start farming wind up here and seriously cash in!
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If our country would shut down anything powered by fossil fuels in any way, the general public would have all the idiot's heads on a pike by the end of that experiment.
Includes elec. generated by coal, & NG...
People don't have a clue.
Their grocery shelves would be empty in hours, all grids would be down, pretty much instant regression by 200 years.
All their emotion fueled ideas would die with them. I'm telling you. It all started when the SCOTUS said you can't lock up crazy people.
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A more effective path to reducing CO2 emissions would be to reduce the planet's population by 80%, give or take a little.
Got fleas? All liberals would be a good start on that experiment.... But in order for one to believe that getting rid of mankind would change anything related to the earth, weather, warming or cooling by any significant amount, you would be a card carrying member of the global warming religion... I don't believe that BS. Not in the least. Hell, I don’t either, but I could fake it, if it meant eradicating f’ing GD liberals...
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Let them cook or heat on solar panels. Shipping out the welfare state in every urban hub would be a much better plan.
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Yes they can't get any crazier. California has the HIGHEST ELECTRIC rates in the nation and going up.
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Do they have any clue as to where electricity comes from? GD
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