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While I’ve never had it happen a friend seen some fail to expands on his mountain goat.
If I’m hunting with them I run a PCB bit into the tip to ease my mind. Been doing that for a few years.
ELDX have been pretty decent, still prefer Berger’s or scenars.
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Small sample, but I watched a rag bull take four (4) 7mm ELDXs straight to the chest this year, and he stumbled around for a full minute or so before falling over. Dead on its feet after one? Yes. About as perfect of a hit as a guy could hope for.
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Small sample, but I watched a rag bull take four (4) 7mm ELDXs straight to the chest this year, and he stumbled around for a full minute or so before falling over. Dead on its feet after one? Yes. About as perfect of a hit as a guy could hope for. Are you also being sarcastic? 😎🤣🤣🤣.
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Small sample, but I watched a rag bull take four (4) 7mm ELDXs straight to the chest this year, and he stumbled around for a full minute or so before falling over. Dead on its feet after one? Yes. About as perfect of a hit as a guy could hope for. Are you also being sarcastic? 😎🤣🤣🤣. He's got to be. What idiot would keep pumping an animal full of lead, if they knew it was "dead on its feet"?? Just sayin..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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T is good as they get so I expected there’s a reason.
I know here we hunt public ground and elk isn’t yours until it’s dicks in the dirt so maybe he was claiming it with the last three.
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I have even shot them for trying to get up. Just saying.
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It’s really surprising that bullet manufacturers cannot figure out how to make some high BC bullets that are built with a better bonding process. With the increase in long range hunting it seems every hunting forum has these discussions about Hornady and Berger bullets with many mixed reviews on these frangible bullets performance on game.
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LR shooting, results in low impact speeds which require softer projectiles to open. With the lack of hydrostatic shock a bullet that opens rapidly is a great benefit. The problem is most hunters end up using these bullets inside the window where velocity is still adequate to open even the best premium bullets. Then they bitch that the bullet failed. My opinion is that the regular nosler Accubond is the best bullet for all ranges. I Concede that it’s not necessarily the best at any one given range but it covers the gamut of all ranges the best. It’s just good enough for about any hunting speed or distance.
But when chasing BC the harsh reality is that the bullets that give the best BC have been designed intentionally to be very soft. If they weren’t there would be a guy that had a bullet failure at 1100 yards and the bullet would be blackballed ASAP.
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8 Small sample, but I watched a rag bull take four (4) 7mm ELDXs straight to the chest this year, and he stumbled around for a full minute or so before falling over. Dead on its feet after one? Yes. About as perfect of a hit as a guy could hope for. Are you also being sarcastic? 😎🤣🤣🤣. He's got to be. What idiot would keep pumping an animal full of lead, if they knew it was "dead on its feet"?? Just sayin.. I shot one of my bigger bulls a second time as he was on his back, all four hooves in the air. I thought he was going to get up and I wanted to avoid that. P
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LR shooting, results in low impact speeds which require softer projectiles to open. With the lack of hydrostatic shock a bullet that opens rapidly is a great benefit. The problem is most hunters end up using these bullets inside the window where velocity is still adequate to open even the best premium bullets. Then they bitch that the bullet failed. My opinion is that the regular nosler Accubond is the best bullet for all ranges. I Concede that it’s not necessarily the best at any one given range but it covers the gamut of all ranges the best. It’s just good enough for about any hunting speed or distance.
But when chasing BC the harsh reality is that the bullets that give the best BC have been designed intentionally to be very soft. If they weren’t there would be a guy that had a bullet failure at 1100 yards and the bullet would be blackballed ASAP. Agree . Amazing at the number of threads i've read over the years at LRH , here and other places . 7mm magnum shooter shoots a deer WAY OUT THERE at 250 yards then complains about the LR bullet grenading the deer . It's not as bad as it was 12-15 years ago .
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I've learned to shoot it they're wigglin, maybe it's the terrain we have, but I don't like trailing shiit
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If it is still moving it is still catching bullets
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My opinion is that the regular nosler Accubond is the best bullet for all ranges. I Concede that it’s not necessarily the best at any one given range but it covers the gamut of all ranges the best. It’s just good enough for about any hunting speed or distance. I've also found the standard NAB to be tough to beat for all-around use as a hunting bullet. The 130gr 6.5mm and 160gr 7mm versions have been very dependable on game.
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It’s really surprising that bullet manufacturers cannot figure out how to make some high BC bullets that are built with a better bonding process. With the increase in long range hunting it seems every hunting forum has these discussions about Hornady and Berger bullets with many mixed reviews on these frangible bullets performance on game. Oh, they absolutely know how to do it. The reason they don't is that not enough people will pay for them to justify the cost of manufacture.
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I probably won’t be using them after using them this year.
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I probably won’t be using them after using them this year. Me neither
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
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Small sample, but I watched a rag bull take four (4) 7mm ELDXs straight to the chest this year, and he stumbled around for a full minute or so before falling over. Dead on its feet after one? Yes. About as perfect of a hit as a guy could hope for. Are you also being sarcastic? 😎🤣🤣🤣. Notta. Elk didn't go anywhere but in a circle, so the shooter started putting more rounds in him. One shot (the third, I believe by the animal's reaction) was a bit back in the liver or possible front part of the guts) but the other three shots were solid in the lungs. Just one of those times, I guess.
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Small sample, but I watched a rag bull take four (4) 7mm ELDXs straight to the chest this year, and he stumbled around for a full minute or so before falling over. Dead on its feet after one? Yes. About as perfect of a hit as a guy could hope for. Are you also being sarcastic? 😎🤣🤣🤣. He's got to be. What idiot would keep pumping an animal full of lead, if they knew it was "dead on its feet"?? Just sayin.. I trust that you're the sarcastic one.
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LR shooting, results in low impact speeds which require softer projectiles to open. With the lack of hydrostatic shock a bullet that opens rapidly is a great benefit. The problem is most hunters end up using these bullets inside the window where velocity is still adequate to open even the best premium bullets. Then they bitch that the bullet failed. My opinion is that the regular nosler Accubond is the best bullet for all ranges. I Concede that it’s not necessarily the best at any one given range but it covers the gamut of all ranges the best. It’s just good enough for about any hunting speed or distance.
But when chasing BC the harsh reality is that the bullets that give the best BC have been designed intentionally to be very soft. If they weren’t there would be a guy that had a bullet failure at 1100 yards and the bullet would be blackballed ASAP. Agreed. Get all set up to kill animals at 5-700 yds. End up killing most game at 60 yards. I did put a 147 EldM through a wolf at 400 yds this fall. Very little damage to my surprise. Pencil sizes in and out. Didn’t poke around in internals but the wolf sure went down in a hurry with minimal flopping.
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