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I could honestly care less about his tweets, but every time he tweets something about the China trade deal or tariffs, the Nasdaq takes a dump,

Plenty of people in real estate investing would disagree vehemently with your first sentence.

Well, it’s good to see that the stock market has pretty much discounted the whole impeachment charade anyway. Maybe Schiffty should take the hint.

Market timing hinders your ability to get the best results out of the market.

The Secret of Warren Buffet: Sit on a pile of cash. When somehting you like goes on sale, buy it at a discount. However, you don't have to wait for the entire market to crash to find a bargain.

The market has nothing to do with a sound economy. In another thread the statements were business runs on debt, people buy on debt, thank the rich with money in the bank for debt. The usual applauds followed.
Read up on FINANCIALIATION.
That's what this economy has been manipulated by for many years.
It works till the balloon can no longer expand aND bursts.
So you just take on more debt and get a bigger balloon.
That MORE DEBT don't build nothing; no needed infrastructure and no brick&mortar. It just refinances the old debt and takes on the NEW debt for the next bigger balloon.
Read my sig.line.

You may be right or not. The market has everything to do with my personal wealth right now, as the market goes so does my ledger sheet. In a couple of years as I get closer to retirement, I plan on moving money into something less volatile as the stock market. In the past most corrections have turned around in 1 1/2 years. I can stand that now, not so much in 3 years or so. I have no debt and no plans on inquiring anymore in the future.

That is how a capitalist economy is built, and always has been. It's called expected future growth. Anything but growth is by definition stagnation, and "bad" for the markets.

Stay fully invested always, never time the market, and ride out the Pax Americana until you retire or the world collapses. No brainer.

Charlie,

Per usual, you are just wrong. The single biggest drivers of the price of individual stocks are earnings, and expectations of future earnings. It's true there are a variety of ways to measure earnings, such as EBITDA (Earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization), and various measure of cash flow, but they all come back to the same basic idea. How much money is this company making (or loosing) today, and what do we expect it to make or loss in the future. Since the stock market is a "market of stocks", the effects of these individual analyses are propagated across a basket of stocks for a measure of the "market of stocks".

The earnings potential of everyone of these stocks, at some level, rides upon the soundness of the underlying economies. Lower taxes and lower interest rates translate into improved margins, and improved profit opportunities. Like wise, lower taxes and interest rates make project that are nonviable at higher rates profitable at more favorable rates.

Yes, companies run on debt. The combined value of all the world stock markets is around 30 trillion dollars, with 90% of that being in just 16 markets, primarily in western economies. But the world bond market is over three times the size with a combined value closer to 100 trillion dollars. To say that "debt builds nothing" is just ignorant. Nearly every house and every car in this country was built and purchased with borrowed money.

Now excessively easy debt terms can lead to a inefficient allocations of assets, and asset bubbles. Throughout history poor government policy's played a hand in many of these bubbles. The prime example of this is the 2009 real estate bubble which largely resulted from the governments objectives to give houses to people who could not afford them.

Raeford: Just think where "we" (the American people and the stock markets!) would be had the ravenous, greedy, alcoholic, anti-American, power mad, bitch known as the "hildabeast" would be if that bull dagger had become President of the United States of America.
GO TRUMP
MAGA
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

TimZ: Excellent point!
The business people and businesses of the United States of America are ignoring the anti-American, anti-capitalist demonrats at EVERY turn.
Personally I hope the demonrats keep up this idiocy - nothing better could happen FOR or happen by the Republicans.
"Charade" is an understatement.
GO TRUMP
MAGA
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

I don't own any annuities, but I agree some annuities can fill a valid financial need. They serve a useful purpose for many retirees. My opinion is the best use of an annuity is to cover one's recurring mandatory costs (food, shelter, clothing, insurance, utilities, home/auto maintenance, taxes, etc) . . . of course there are other lower risk investment vehicles to take care of these recurring costs, such as bond ladders, preferred stock portfolios, and real estate.

Everyday CNBC runs an article about what would happen to the stock market if Elizabeth Warren wins the presidency. Predictions are a decline of 25 to 30 percent decline in the first year. In contrast, if Trump's re-elected, predictions are for a 15 to 20 percent increase in 2021.

I got a late start investing in the stock market. I made such poor financial decisions over my working lifetime (debt accumulation) and was so ignorant of long term personal financial planning, I was broke most of my life (defined as being in debt, other than a mortgage.) A life, founded on debt servicing, is a dead end road, which can lead to a severely stunted financial condition in the twilight of one's life, when one's age/health does not allow one to successfully trade hours for enough dollars to live comfortably and stress-free. In the United States, there is no reason that should happen to anyone, who does not choose such a financial future. Ignorance of "How to Make Money in the Stock Market," because one is passively concerned about Fed policy, rich "greedy" people, or other financial factors totally out of one's personal control, is a personal choice, and a poor one at that, IMHBAO. I encourage my "younger" fellow Fire Members to get serious about your family's financial future, and educate yourself on how to make money with stock market investments. It is a proven wealth builder. Don't let jealousy or political opinions rob you of your American birthright to wealth via the Free-American Enterprise System.

If Warren looks like she is going to be elected I will go to cash. With virtually no cost trading you can sell and then buy back in and only cost you a couple bucks.
Percentage wise I'm like most of you, up 30%. I've also made more in the market this year than my normal job.

As long as Trump stays in the White House the market will go up as he favors business. The Dems on the other hand want to tax everything which restricts the cash both business and you can spend and we are a consumer driven economy.
Facebook, Google,Amazon, etc, would be a lot higher if congress were not threatening to break them apart.

If if looks like Warren is going to win, I'll liquidate all my long positions, and establish a net short position, probably with a combination of short and leveraged short ETFs and long put options.

if warren gets the nod look for the market to immediately begin to tank. this bitch will kill this country with her horschit ideas. well except for the handout crowd. they'll be fine.

Warren has zero chance of winning a general election. That is why the Democratic Party is starting to hyperventilate and Bloomberg and the other clown are jumping in. They keep shooting holes in the floor of the boat and can’t figure out why it is sinking.

Only until there's no more working class to support them, then everyone starves.

You won’t be alone if it starts looking this way.