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On the other hand you've got people installing headlights or assembling wiring harnesses making 35.00 an hour. Any retard could do those jobs and their importance to society is certainly of no more value than the services of the farm workers or janitors making 10.00 an hour. Over the years people/society have been convinced that "professionals" with college degrees should make big money and a very comfortable living while anybody else should make diddly and live a life of poverty. Real convenient and intentionally orchestrated by the education system of course.

Most people don’t want jobs like pipefitters, electricians, plumbers, bricklayers etc. They want a job with a title, some prestige, and big bucks.

They don’t want to work their way up. Wifey works for a world wide oilfield service company. She hires a good many people. The recent college grads think they should be able to command a 140,000 salary right out of college. They have to start as a planner, work their way to a project manager’s salary in the 120,000 range. A Senior project manager might make 140,000 if she-he can do the job. She doesn’t think too much of the younger generation.

I’m going to her company dinner on the 18th. Most of them will look at me like I’m a toad, but that’s OK. They would cshit if they knew I made more than most of them doing plumbing.

Statistics at it's finest, so you compare job creation from the hi-tech boom era with today and say 1990's created more high paying jobs.

Today automation is removing lower paying jobs. New technology and things like biometric etc areas are growing, but will eventually take off.

Standard of living has gone up, but the issue is education. We went through a phase of "everyone needs to go to college" well that makes sense, but only if you go for something of value: engineering, sciences, education even. But if you go for a philosophy, or art degree, what are your job outlooks? OUr former babysitter got a bachelors and masters and can't make a living, what's her degrees in? Performing arts. I have two sons and two daughters-in-law, with degrees in: secondary education, occupational therapy, bio-tech and bio-mechanical engineering. Of the 4, 2 have masters. All are gainfully employed and growing great lives.

It's about the work you put in and putting it in a good area.

Exactly.

In NY the government does everything possible to hurt the business environment and prevent people from improving their lives. It starts with insane taxes like 6% property taxes which destroy home equity. Then they banned fracking and thereby preventing people in upstate NY from prospering. Lastly the state government is run to benefit lawyers with laws that make it impossible for businesses to survive. My friend’s wife had to shut down her contractor business because of an insane law that made her liable for the actions of her subcontractors even if she required them to carry insurance.

Maybe. I think that is regional.

The new homes being built around here are 3000-4500SF and are costing anywhere from $400-$800K. Normal, 2 income families are buying them. We know one couple that did. For the life of us we couldn't figure out how they could afford it. They're both teachers in the local district, probably both making in the range of $80k/year. They're in their 40's, like us.

Turns out they can't afford it... My wife was talking to them this spring and they have a 50yr mortgage!!! 50 YEARS! Screw that. I'll take our average sized, packed with kids house, and be able to have it paid off in 7-8 years.

Yep!! Funny ain't it? I go to those things with my wife and we just smile at all the people trying to impress each other with their titles. They ask me what I do. "Construction Manager" Where did you go to school?... " I didn't" They quickly move on to the next conversation because I'm not worthy. Not knowing a damn thing and it would make them scream if they did.

Bust your ass and it'll pay off and don't judge a book by it's cover.

Going to swap meets can open an eye to some holier than thou types when a guy pulls $8k out of his sweat pants pocket to pay for 35 Chevy body and frame on the trailer.

That's a ticking bomb, in particular the replacement of humans with robots who do the work faster, cheaper, 24 hours/day with no sick leave or Monday hangovers. They can do everything from making hamburgers to machining a part to less than ten thousandths tolerance (expensive machine to be sure, but I understand some robotic tools can measure down to millionths of an inch).

Even in high paying jobs they're finding robots or software can be more accurate. IIRC some nursing or "doctor" programs can diagnose an illness with far greater accuracy than many human doctors.

Obviously someone has to design, build, program and maintain the robots so a new opportunity is opening up there, but I'm sure they're already using robots to design and build other robots.


The problem on the other side is that with so many people put out of a job or unable to find one, who is going to buy the stuff the robots make?

Because of Obama care many full time jobs were cut to part time. Saving the companies millions on health care insurance costs. Dr's and professional 's need their cars and houses maintained. Just charge the same per hour they charge, and do good work. Plumbing, electrical contracting and trades jobs, can make great income. Teachers are needed but should be guided through the curriculum, not set free to teach as they see fit. Auto workers are probably the most over paid union in the country! My grandson is a glazer, ( window guy) his shop is doing great. When business and home window jobs are slow, auto glass pays the bills! He has two years of college in business! Not a engineer, but pulling down 200 a year, reinvesting and building his business! Jobs are as good as the individual want to work to make them! If they pay like crap get a different one! From the day I got out of school, I never looked for a minimum wage job! Who would not always look at good paying jobs. My younger grandson 15 just ask me to set him up with a small excavator and backhoe plus dump truck so he could get ahead of the job market when he graduates. I told him I would buy the excavator, if his folks would buy a dump trailer large enough to haul the small excavator. He can start there. If it doesn't work out we are only out a ,small amount and can sell the excavator and trailer. So I guess job markets have change since the 90's. Not in a good way necessarily, but opportunity is out there! By the way everyone should have a business of some type. Ronald Regan set up the tax structure, all should take advantage!

I don’t think people buy to own anymore. It’s more like downpayment + purchased equity + market attitude = return.

Then cash out when you come to your senses, the kids have moved out, and you downsize into the size house you shoulda bought anyway.

That’s how we end up with so many damn Yankees down south.

Corporations can't make money if the masses don't have money to spend! So this theory is total BS.

Seems an awful lot of corporations did well enough that there were lumber and coal barons running them when their "employees" lived in company towns.

I have a sneaky suspicion if they were able to get the world as I suggested there would be more of the same.

Company coppers and Pinkertons to enforce their rules, seeing as how they'd be unregulated otherwise.

Geno

16bore not really, you can blame the mass exodus from the Northeast on Taxes, Unions, and general cost of living. Has nothing to do with what size houses people bought. However Yes your housing cost on average is much cheaper down there.

Taxes eat y’all alive.....

Yankees, that is.

When corporations do well, their investors do well! As for living conditions or area's that is not exclusive to corporations. Social economic classes will exist no matter what. I do get it, you need to be able to point a finger!

What about legacy construction vs lightweight?

I bet that has something to do with it.

People complain about what bigwigs do...until they become one. Same goes for college degrees, they’re only useless when you don’t have one.

BINGO we have a WINNER!

That's my plan, been telling wife we'll advertise our house and acreage up north when the time comes........[lotsa Hokies in NOVA needing a mountain getaway].