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It is the Land of Opportunity, not guarantees. The premise of the article in the OP is BS.

It’s haves/have nots. Not Republican/Democrat. There isn’t a person on a board of supervisors or city council that isn’t controlled by the big spenders in town.

Why the hell are people like Gates, Buffett, Zuckerburg, Oprah, etc. helping to “make” public policy? And who the hell are they?

They’s rich, that’s all....

You completely missed his valid point.

You don't suppose that many of those bosses started out on roofs or running saws do ya?
Further, it validates the point he was making: the higher the risk for employees, the higher the costs of having those employees[in many ways].

He has insurance for that.

Physical risk is not the same thing as business risk. But take your saw mill owner. He’s the one that has to take the risk of bodily harm to a worker in addition to the worker themselves.

They lose an arm, he loses his shirt. The employee is responsible for himself, but so is the owner. And all the other people he employs as well. And their families. And his own.

Some did, some didn't. The mill right up the road here is run by the grandson of the man who started it. He was never out there running the mill saws.

So you're saying a man who creates a successful business whould notlet his grandson inherit it?

A guy I went to high school with got a job at a local roofing company right after we graduated. He fell off a roof just a few weeks later. I still see him buzzing around town in his motorizef wheel chair regularly. He never got married and still lives with his parents. His risk was pretty big and he's paid for it plenty. The owner of the roofing company is retired now and his son runs it. His whole damn crew is Mexicans now.

Some did, some didn't. The mill right up the road here is run by the grandson of the man who started it. He was never out there running the mill saws.

So what percentage of the American work force works as roofers or in sawmills? Maybe 0.01%.

The reason most people get stuck in low paying jobs is because the WANT to be in them instead of doing what needs to be done to advance themselves.

For decades our company (and many others) offered tuitiion reimbursement. We would pay for an employee to get a 2-year or 4-year degree in any field remotely related to our business. Very few took us up on it. Most of them were engineers who already had 4-year degrees and used our program to get master's degrees.

Why didn't they take advantage of our program? My theory was that lower class people do not have the mental discipline to sacrifice something now in order to get something better LATER. When push came to shove, they would rather go drinking or watch TV than study for a few years and double or quadruple their income after that time. They do not understand delayed gratification.

Where the hell do you get that idea ? I'm saying his grandson never ran the risk of getting his ass maimed or killed running the mill saws.

I've known alot of guys that worked in the saw mills and roofing companies over the years. Most do those jobs because they don't have the mental capacity for college. There are alot of folks like that out there.

Some did, some didn't. The mill right up the road here is run by the grandson of the man who started it. He was never out there running the mill saws.

I doubt if those conditions apply any more, or have applied since OSHA came in during the 1970s.

I once worked at a stamping plant where the old time employees all had fewer than ten fingers. No more. I have seen a lot of heavy industry (though I admit not sawmills). There is very little physical danger any more. OSHA would not allow that.

As for roofers, I have friends who are roofers and who own their own small roofing companys (usually just them and one or two relatives). One guy has fallen off the roof several times. Don't they have safety harnesses or anything?