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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14333929 12/03/19
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Ya were pretty well covered then!! 🤣👍


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14334008 12/03/19
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For out to 500 yards either are two peas in the same pod. I love my 338 Win Mag and have used it a lot, but don't claim it kills any better than a good 7mm bullet or even 270 bullet out to normal hunting/killing ranges.


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14334341 12/03/19
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Who cares what we NEED? I'm getting a .375 Ruger or .375 H&H to put to use as my "one and done gun". A 300gr TSX @ 2600 will kill a 100 lb Whitetail just as well as a Cape Buffalo. I've got a friend in Africa who is a PH, and he uses a .416 Rigby for everything.

Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: 7point62mag] #14334434 12/03/19
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I was curious about actual recoil numbers from a couple of loads I used to shoot. My 165gr load in the .300WM made around 3,250fps with IMR 7828. My 210gr load in the .338WM made 2,900fps with Varget. Both generated right at 31lbs of recoil if using a 9lb rifle.

One was about high velocity and flat trajectory, the other was about a fair chunk of bullet at a still-respectable velocity. More than one way to skin a cat. Here's a comparison photo to illustrate the difference in what is being sent downrange. I still can't help but look at a 210TTSX in my hand and wonder why anybody would need more bullet to kill anything on this continent at a reasonable range.


[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: JPro] #14334476 12/03/19
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Originally Posted by JPro
I was curious about actual recoil numbers from a couple of loads I used to shoot. My 165gr load in the .300WM made around 3,250fps with IMR 7828. My 210gr load in the .338WM made 2,900fps with Varget. Both generated right at 31lbs of recoil if using a 9lb rifle.

One was about high velocity and flat trajectory, the other was about a fair chunk of bullet at a still-respectable velocity. More than one way to skin a cat. Here's a comparison photo to illustrate the difference in what is being sent downrange. I still can't help but look at a 210TTSX in my hand and wonder why anybody would need more bullet to kill anything on this continent at a reasonable range.


[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]



Just a tip for ya. The 165 TTSX needs 1800 fps to expand. But the 168 only needs 1500. I have the email from Barnes I can show ya if you need verification.

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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: 7point62mag] #14334480 12/03/19
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Originally Posted by 7point62mag
Who cares what we NEED? I'm getting a .375 Ruger or .375 H&H to put to use as my "one and done gun". A 300gr TSX @ 2600 will kill a 100 lb Whitetail just as well as a Cape Buffalo. I've got a friend in Africa who is a PH, and he uses a .416 Rigby for everything.


You are a bright young man! But, may want to step down to a 270 LRX......JMO! wink memtb


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14334482 12/03/19
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I'd believe that, regarding the 168 needing less impact velocity to expand, as it is a bit longer in the nose. The 165 shown was mainly picked up for mag-length loads in the 308win.


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14334506 12/03/19
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Curious. How much big game have you taken and what animals and locations?



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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14334527 12/03/19
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Yeah, that "pick a big gun and be one and done" gets old pretty quick if you like to shoot very much.


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: mathman] #14334617 12/03/19
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Originally Posted by mathman
Yeah, that "pick a big gun and be one and done" gets old pretty quick if you like to shoot very much.


And if you hunt several spicies\locales it's nice to have choices too...


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: memtb] #14334709 12/03/19
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Originally Posted by memtb
Originally Posted by 7point62mag
Who cares what we NEED? I'm getting a .375 Ruger or .375 H&H to put to use as my "one and done gun". A 300gr TSX @ 2600 will kill a 100 lb Whitetail just as well as a Cape Buffalo. I've got a friend in Africa who is a PH, and he uses a .416 Rigby for everything.


You are a bright young man! But, may want to step down to a 270 LRX......JMO! wink memtb


My post was more of a thing saying, don't listen to what others say you "need". Just shoot what you "want" and enjoy. Too many people worry about what others say they have to have, because this is too little or that is too big.

I really will be picking up a .375 of some flavor, that wasn't a joke. Andrias is bringing me over to tag along for awhile. He has a home in Colorado as well, so I get to hunt Elk with him when he is stateside.

As far as shooting a lot bothering you, I've set up a few .375's from the bench. The H&H is fun to shoot, it really is just a push. The .375 Ruger (without the brake) has quite a bit more bite to it, due to the higher pressures involved matching velocity in a smaller case. With the brake, I'd compare it to a heavy .30-06 load. Helping at my friends shop and range for 15 years, has allowed me to get a wide range of experience, trying different firearms. Some new just in, some trade ins, and some folks were just nice enough to let me shoot for waived range fees, or free ammo. I was not trying to give off a "macho" vibe, just sharing my opinion per my given experiences.

For the fella questioning my hunts. I love how when someone says something that the "frequent/regular" members dont agree with, the keyboard officials come out in droves throwing their yellow flags, blowing a whistle, and trying to see replays on the teleprompters.

Now, with a heavy heart i add, I may not be back to reply for awhile. I'm not running from questions. While I was writing the above, I was just told my first cousin just lost the battle with cancer that she had been fighting. She never once said "poor me", and had a smile on her face everyday. frown

Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: 7point62mag] #14334854 12/03/19
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Sorry to hear of your loss. It’s tough to lose a loved one, but during the holidays seems to make it worse! Again, my condolences for your loss! memtb


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14334858 12/03/19
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Sorry to hear this.. You have my sympathy!!


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: beretzs] #14335205 12/03/19
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Happy Birthday, Beretzs ! We are both December boys.

Jerry


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7.62 - So sorry for your loss.
Get back with us ASAP.


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: pharmvet] #14335413 12/03/19
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Just getting back home. Thanks for the thoughts fellas. I didn't mean to derail or completely kill the flow of someone's topic. My apologies for that.

Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: JPro] #14335451 12/03/19
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Originally Posted by JPro
I'd believe that, regarding the 168 needing less impact velocity to expand, as it is a bit longer in the nose. The 165 shown was mainly picked up for mag-length loads in the 308win.

Up until this year, I've never hunted with a Barnes bullet. Trying their 180 TTSX this season, but haven't seen anything but young deer. Spot lighters screw everything up around here. I hate poachers!

Next season I plan to step down to the 168 for my .300 Win Mag. I've heard a lot of great reports on using that bullet in the .30 mags. I'm just learning that you can give up a little wait with a Monolithic bullet, because they shed ZERO weight. To think, I got the 180 TTSX because Choice Ammunition was currently out of stock of 200gr Accubonds. I've always shot heavy for caliber, and if I had been setup reloading or if the 200's had been in stock, I may never have tried Barnes otherwise, and never known how well they shoot.

I like the idea of the 168 in my .300, that is a flat shooting setup. I've seen great results using 168 bullets in .308 rigs that I setup for others.

Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: 7point62mag] #14336131 12/04/19
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7point62mag, Be careful expounding the virtues of the Barnes Mono’s here. You will quickly be labeled as an “inbred”, “hair-lipped”, “water-head”, heretic! But, then these folks are trapped in the “dark ages”, still seeing the world as flat!!! grin memtb

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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: jwall] #14336259 12/04/19
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Originally Posted by jwall
Happy Birthday, Beretzs ! We are both December boys.

Jerry


Thanks buddy!

I am with the others, shoot what you like. We only have us to please.

And I thought all of you guys that shoot Barnes were crazies and hair lipped... whistle

You wouldn't wanna hear what they call guys who still like to hunt with the best bullet ever made for killing is, the Bitterroot Bonded Core... laugh


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Re: .300 Win Mag vs .338 Win Mag [Re: beretzs] #14336309 12/04/19
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Originally Posted by beretzs
Originally Posted by jwall
Happy Birthday, Beretzs ! We are both December boys.

Jerry


Thanks buddy!

I am with the others, shoot what you like. We only have us to please.

And I thought all of you guys that shoot Barnes were crazies and hair lipped... whistle

You wouldn't wanna hear what they call guys who still like to hunt with the best bullet ever made for killing is, the Bitterroot Bonded Core... laugh

Wouldn't that be the "Partition Posse" ?

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