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Probably should load up on tinfoil while we're at it. Can't have too much tinfoil. A damned zombie will bite right through that shixt. Get the suit of armor.
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you mean satyr. I thought everyone had noticed that you can rotate most .22lr bullets in the case, with your bare hands? that's not a good sign for weahterproofing.
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I never said anything about handgun accuracy, just that the .22 mag is weak. The 223 has 3x the power and range. In fact, it works vs man-sized targers to 1/2 mile, well proven in matches. A chest hit with a 223 softpoint is every bit as likely to stop a man with one hit as a 12 ga blast. Not at all true with 22 mag rifle. The 223 softpoint pierces soft armor like so much cheese, also not true of the .22 mag.
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you mean satyr. I thought everyone had noticed that you can rotate most .22lr bullets in the case, with your bare hands? that's not a good sign for weahterproofing. Hell son, ain't nobody on this site can spell worth shixt.
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Savage OU 22lr/20 gauge with a selection of slugs and bird shot. Don't look down you nose at a 20 Gauge slug, compare it to some of the most powerful handguns on the market
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the shotgun is a bad choice, especially single shots. Small game aint worth a shotshells' noise, weight and bulk, Giving up the range advantage of the riflle and the rapidfire thing is a bad idea. 20 ga slug's very limited in range, since it starts out with minimal power and loses it so fast at distances. When you run out of ammo, the gun is just a club.
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That's Boomer to you sonny and you best smile when you say it.
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Savage OU 22lr/20 gauge with a selection of slugs and bird shot. Don't look down you nose at a 20 Gauge slug, compare it to some of the most powerful handguns on the market Probably as good as anything mentioned so far.
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Remington 870 12ga. Shoots everything from rabbits on up. Bring a variety of different shells. Good to go.
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I'll say it anyway I want, pops, since you chose to call me "sonny". stuff it.
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12 ga shells are 10 to the lb. 20 ga shells more like 18 to the lb. you'll run out of them in a big hurry. 60 gr .22lr ammo is 100 rds to the lb, and of course, very compact and more likely to be replacable than any other caliiber. How to have slug, birdshot, buckshot in the chamber when it's needed, eh? How many can you carry? How many of each type of shell? The shotgun =boy scout level of "thinking" Search youtube for the WoodedBeardsman's Wilderness Survival Challenge and LOOK at all the chances he'd have had on turkeys, moose, deer, etc, with a rifle, but not with the shotgun, due to range limitation
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I'll say it anyway I want, pops, since you chose to call me "sonny". stuff it. Just how big a boy are you?
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I think some of you guys are underestimating the "survival" part of this equation. Simplicity is at a premium. Some of you guys sound like you need to carry your reloading bench with you when you flee in front of the coming Chinese invaders. Don't forget the wheelbarrow for all the specialized equipment you'll be carting around.
The 22 mag is dead as a survival round? Huh, who knew? Less powerful than a 9mm pistol? Good to know. I can shoot a 22 mag pretty effectively at 200 yards. How's that handgun work at that range LOL.
But whatever. Fireball, I like both the suggestions (M-4+CMMG conversion and bolt action .22 WMR) and I have both setups. I have used both for some time. The thing I can't get over is the criticism of the .22 WMR choice. I have used one for a wide variety of game and have high confidence in it. Maybe folks can't understand it until they use it. Maybe they weren't asking what you thought, but telling you what you should think. I've used it in a rifle just since 1970, a single Six before that. A .22 Mag is what I take with me for woods bumming. I also carry a 651 .22 Mag revolver when oudoors more than any other, I have a .22 Mag over 20 gauge Model 24 with choke tubes , an SS Cricket .22 Mag and a Single Six.
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12 ga shells are 10 to the lb. 20 ga shells more like 18 to the lb. you'll run out of them in a big hurry. 60 gr .22lr ammo is 100 rds to the lb, and of course, very compact and more likely to be replacable than any other caliiber. How to have slug, birdshot, buckshot in the chamber when it's needed, eh? How many can you carry? How many of each type of shell? The shotgun =boy scout level of "thinking" Search youtube for the WoodedBeardsman's Wilderness Survival Challenge and LOOK at all the chances he'd have had on turkeys, moose, deer, etc, with a rifle, but not with the shotgun, due to range limitation 20 rounds of slugs, 20 bird shot and a box of 22s would feed me a damn long time in a survival situation. It not like we're talking about a damn safari.
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12 ga shells are 10 to the lb. 20 ga shells more like 18 to the lb. you'll run out of them in a big hurry. 60 gr .22lr ammo is 100 rds to the lb, and of course, very compact and more likely to be replacable than any other caliiber. How to have slug, birdshot, buckshot in the chamber when it's needed, eh? How many can you carry? How many of each type of shell? The shotgun =boy scout level of "thinking" Search youtube for the WoodedBeardsman's Wilderness Survival Challenge and LOOK at all the chances he'd have had on turkeys, moose, deer, etc, with a rifle, but not with the shotgun, due to range limitation 20 rounds of slugs, 20 bird shot and a box of 22s would feed me a damn long time in a survival situation. It not like we're talking about a damn safari. lol
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I stopped being a boy decades ago, I bench 250 and do 1000 lbs on the 45 degree leg press.and run 2 miles in 18 minutes, twice a week.
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If you're worth a hoot, you wont need half that to last a year. But who says this is ending any time soon?
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I have my survival set. It's an H&R combo set: 20ga 3" 22 Hornet 22 LR sub cal insert for the Hornet I'd have a Lee Loader and components, a small amount, for the Hornet, but I'd carry a lot of loaded ammo, both 22 LR and hornet. For the 20 gauge I'd carry only a few shells, mostly bird shot but also a few slugs and several buckshot.
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sorry, but woodsbumming and being able to take almost any shot you're offered at game is not the same thing. You'd have to brain deer to take them reliably with a 22 mag. and it would be sketchy for anything larger. Why make that much noise and give up the rapidfire of the .22lr, or the power and range of the 223, when the AR is so low cost these days and so much more versatile than any .22 mag. In the autos, 22 mag bursts rims quite often. want to risk your face? wanna pay $200 to have the 22 mag rustproofed and $500 to have some smith fabricate luminous sights for it?
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