Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Barrel life of a .30-06?

I had the same thing happen to both of my 25-06's. Although much much sooner, like 50 rounds of 80grn Barnes TTSX doing 3,600fps. I used Sweets 7.62 cleaner and removed a ton of copper. Took about 12 rounds the other day for it to get the barrel of my M700 CDL right back where it was, bout 2/3 inch groups and an inch and a half high at 100 yards. I actually called barnes and the guy told me that when your groups open up, it is usally time to use a copper remover.

You may want to try JB Bore cleaner.

You mean Sweets?
I was fooling my self for years thinking Sweets was doing an adequate job, thought all that "rust" at the end of the barrel was rust, nope, Copper.

Wipeout, my new best friend.

I know I will catch hell for this but I had my best luck with the old Outers Foul Out II. Minimal work and squeaky clean bores in just a little bit.

This.

I learned the hard way with X bullets a long time ago.....
Don’t forget the JB Compound after the patches stop coming out blue—‘cause there will still be some copper in the barrel.

The monos with grooves addressed much of the copper fouling issue, but monos still copper foul a lot more than most conventional bullets—something that’s not mentioned much these days.

Although checking the scope mounts could still find the culprit.

Action screws?

If you don't mind, spill your guts on POA/POI, return to zero, and holding zero.

Have seen a couple threads over the past several months where folks have purchased and claim it's "good", but provide nothing other than platitudes as "evidence" to sway a me into a purchase decision.

The price isn't bad, and an illuminated reticle gets my interest.... but... it's a Burris. So, I remain skeptical.

If you are using Sweets don't leave it in the barrel for an extended period of time (per directions) and make sure not to mix it with any other solvent in the barrel, if you are cleaning the carbon with shooters choice, clean the shooters choice itself out before moving onto the copper solvent.

Wipe out, several over night applications until clean patches....

Wipeout is highly suggested. I may even try that product. I just loaded up some 175gr LRX bullets lastnight in fact, I'm hoping my barrel isn't a copper collector. We shall see and I may end up buying some wipeout as well....

Bad experience with Burris?

'ology,

Winter Cast & Blasts are a great time,to see if something will make the cut,so I purposely poked it upon a Beloved Fur Knocker. Hint.

It is SFP,Illuminated(obviously) and larger than I had pictured in my speculations. No parallax adjustment,.5 MOA ele/windage adjustments,96 MO/MO's of total ele travel and wears forgiving eye-relief,that is none too critical. Hint.





In extrapolation,to wares that are more mainstay,so the astute can get the vibe.



The illumination is daylight bright,this is #6 of 10 rheostat settings.



At least Burris will tell ya',while Reupold sweeps it under a rug. Hint.



Even in a 18" Krunchenticker,the Whizzum hauls ass and due ring height,I'm more than comfy with a 200yd zero. Don't take much correction,to get it to the Transonic Slip and 17's fhuqking fall apart there. Don't see myself doing a buncha erector dialing on it,as per it's Utilitarian Tasking and simply HOPE the fhuqking thing holds zero. Current rash of high pressure crisp/clear weather now and blue skies don't "test" a fhuqking thing. Once it flops,the Monsoons will return and I'll wear it slung all day,every day,whacking schit that fhuqks with Chrome. It's prolly even fun.(grin)

I'd certainly not wager on it's behalf,but it would be a nice suplize,if the fhuqking thig hangs in there. As per always,trigger time will resolve all and I rather like this platform,due balance/handling and relative Oooooomph. In fairness,I've never had a Burris scope,work worth a fhuqk. Have a goodly herd of FF3's and never a bobble there,though none ride anything more invigorating than a Grock 34.

Film at 11:00.

Hint....................

One thing about wipeout and my brass jag, I do get false readings but that barrel is freakin shiny clean.

A few minutes ago I went and looked down a takeoff barrel that I recently replaced, The muzzle end clearly shows "rust",

That barrel was cleaned for years with Sweets and a few others including Boretech,

Neither have cleaned that barrel sufficiently.

For the hell of it, I'll use wipeout today on that takeoff, and report back tomorrow.

Burris is making better and better stuff all the time. You hear of a hole hell of a lot less failures with Burris than you do Leupold. I much prefer their AR scopes with proper cantilever mounts myself. But to each their own...

'stick, thought we was going 'catching',

all you have to do is pay my airfare and I'm on my way.............

I had the same problem years ago... I THOUGHT I had a clean barrel. WIPEOUT made me a believer

I can walk from the front porch,to the first Chrome Patch...but the neighborhood kids fish it and I don't need to steal their thunder. Saturday's Mail is fhuqking goofy,in that you can only retrieve parcels betwixt Noon and 2:00PM,which puts a damper on thangs. I'm at ease in awaiting the Chinooking SE Hurricane and having it all to myself. Hint.



Nice to be tied wayyyyyy ahead,dabble some new wares,gun some come-ups and flail on the Reloading Press. Hoping my GFI Kenai 22/45 LITE holster arrives this afternoon,as a backer for the pending Burris puke.(grin)

Now as mounting systems go,the LAST fhuqking thing I want anywhere,is cantilever bullschit. I want my schit Direct Drive,if only because rifles don't shoot "tight"...they shoot loose. I'm rather at ease,in the sanctity of Tall 'Horn's and 40 MO/MO's tossed in the equation,as Centerfire Krunchentickers go. Though I've seen me 'Horn Rimfire Krunchentickers too. Prolly don't suck on a RAPR either,as ring spacing is a scope's BEST friend. Hint.



Hell...I lOVE 'em everywhere. Hint.




Though it's tough not love a 75 MOA rail and Marty Steel Max 50's. Hint.



Mebbe the OP's barrel is "shot out"? Hint. LAUGHING!

Wow +P++!..................

I see he is back. Offer still stands. I'm at Elmendorf AFB about once a month. Would enjoy meeting you. Bet I could adjust that attitude for ya. HINT. Of course you won't though. Coward hiding behind a keyboard

I seem to remember reading that match accuracy of a 308 Win would begin to degrade around 2000 rounds. "Decent" accuracy (subjective) was 2500-3000+ rounds. Depends how fast you shoot and other factors. A 30-06 would be in the same general round count, I would imagine.(3k ++). I'm guessing you are not at 50% of barrel life.

Decline of accuracy would be gradual, not a step function. Somethings else has changed. Different lot of bullets or primers? seating depth?, nicked crown? Could be copper fouling ( wipe out is good stuff).

Be patient. You will find the issue.

Just shot a 445 -21x at our state palma championship today with my .308 M70 palma rifle with approx 3900 rounds down the barrel. This rifle is subject to many 20+ round strings of 155s at 3000 fps in the Phoenix summer. There is something other than barrel wear going on...