|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,226
Campfire Regular
|
OP
Campfire Regular
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,226 |
I have a pair of ChiComm Cabela Elk Hunters which I actually like. What I don't like is waiting for the soles to pop off in severely cold weather like I witnessed twice in our WY camp 3 weeks ago during two big storms. Who makes the best STITCHED on soled boots--preferably higher like 10"?
Murphy was a grunt.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3,445
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3,445 |
Look for a STORM welt or a GOODYEAR welt in boots you are contemplating.
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
Pronoun: Yes, SIR !
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,176
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,176 |
Alico, which is an Italian firm makes a pair of Full grain Italian leather, leather lined, Goodyear welt boots that is LEGIT if they work for your feet. I have a pair of 12.5m with an aftermarket plastic/merino insole that is great- but they aren’t light. I believe these boots are only available through Sierra trading post. The price will make you eyes pop out of your head as they are quite affordable. The build quality is high as is the quality of the hardware used.
Last edited by 175rltw; 11/22/19.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,712
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,712 |
I've owned two pairs of Alico...The "guide" model I used Onwas the predecessor to the current abomination they call the "guide"...the current one has one less eyelet above the ankle, and a bunch of seams above the ankle and on the achilles. My older "guide" was one leather chunk all the way to the cuff, and was like a ski boot new. The noteworthy aspect of that boot was that it did four glacier-based sheep hunts, with only one resole, and they weren't totally destroyed. Only lost some stitching on the achilles piece. Incredible boot, but a bugger to break in. Low to mid volume fit. The "summit" model has a WAY more voluminous fit, to the point where it doesn't work for me in steep stuff. It is great on the trail, and great in the cold or snow. Waxed with gaiters and you're bulletproof in deep snow. The fit allows for 2 pairs of wool socks and works to very cold temperatures. I bought a new pair of "north col" welted boots from LL Bean about 15 years ago, right before discontinuation. Very high quality, but too high volume as well. I used the s--t out of these moose hunting, worn over the neoprene stocking footed hip waders. Nothing better, but a week of constant soak is rough on the leather! Aside from Alico, you don't have much choice other than picking off near-new-condition vintage boots on ebay. This is a low-probability affair. I'm currently trying to like a pair of Vasque Montana boots, but the right boot for whatever reason was lasted to a foot shaped like a boomerang, and my heel pushes the heel cup to the right too much. Lots of boots like that...would someone please make a straight boot? I'd be taking a hard look at older ebay norwegian welt or littleway welt boots: pivetta, Fabiano, vasque, raichle, scarpa, and the like. You're in hog heaven if you have a smaller foot, 9 or less. Tougher at 12.5 or 13! One of these boots with roughout leather, if waxed with straight beeswax, is a forever piece if you can get it broken in. Nothing else comes close; if it did, I'd own it. Alico, which is an Italian firm makes a pair of Full grain Italian leather, leather lined, Goodyear welt boots that is LEGIT if they work for your feet. I have a pair of 12.5m with an aftermarket plastic/merino insole that is great- but they aren’t light. I believe these boots are only available through Sierra trading post. The price will make you eyes pop out of your head as they are quite affordable. The build quality is high as is the quality of the hardware used.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 384
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: Sep 2018
Posts: 384 |
Danner's site claims that they sew soles on some of their boots, at least.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 955
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 955 |
Lowa, Kenetrek, Schnee’s, Zamberlan are all good.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,946 Likes: 5
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 7,946 Likes: 5 |
Most people don't really want the truth.
They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 237
Campfire Member
|
Campfire Member
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 237 |
I've used the American made Danners for over 20yrs in Alaska, worked very well and love the bobbed soles.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 7,263
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 7,263 |
I had a pair of USA Danner Pioneers soles give out completely in ankle deep mud. The uppers are stiched to the mid-sole and then the poron mid sole is glued to the vibram sole. The glue and the poron completely deteriorated. I re-glued them but it wouldn't hold to the decomposing rubber. All I can figure out is some containment or just heat and age caused the problem. I am suspect that some other shoes didn't off gas some solvent in the closet or ozone deteriorated the poron. Once I get them re-done it will be with a denser mid-soles and hopefully screws or other secondary attachment. My European boots done this way have lasted for years. I like leather mid-soles for heavy use.
"When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred." Niccolo Machiavelli
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,712 Likes: 10
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,712 Likes: 10 |
Glued on soles aren’t the issue. Crappy boots are the issue. I don’t think these soles are coming off. They are glued on.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,124
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,124 |
Soles 'popping' off screams cheap junk boots, or boots that were over-heated drying near a fire.
I've seen more well-shot game lost with TSXs than any other premium bullet.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 69,409 Likes: 5
Campfire Kahuna
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 69,409 Likes: 5 |
Years ago, after Danner started having their glued on soled boots made off shore, I had a chance to talk briefly with a Danner rep in a shoe store. He said the EPA , which was newly formed at the time, was the reason. One of their 1st official acts was to outlaw the glue used to make millions of pairs of shoes and boots. At that time, there was no suitable alternate glue that would hold. With 1 single, trivial sounding regulation, they killed the entire US shoe industry and forced it to China.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 8,510 Likes: 3
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 8,510 Likes: 3 |
We don't want GLUED up soles.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3,445
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3,445 |
Glued on soles aren’t the issue. Crappy boots are the issue. I don’t think these soles are coming off. They are glued on. Yeah, unlikely to have $600 ice climbing boots made for rigid crampons and edging come apart....for awhile.
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
Pronoun: Yes, SIR !
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 695
Campfire Regular
|
Campfire Regular
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 695 |
Excuse the intrusion, but I have similar question. I have some Cabella's lightweight camo hunting boots and the toe has come unglued on both boots. I have glued another earlier pair with contact cement that held, but they were no longer waterproof. What would be the best glue to use to glue them down and have them waterproof.
thanks
Charlie
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,507
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 5,507 |
I find the glue holds up just fine, it is the funky foam "rubber inter layer deteriorates and crumbles.
Sort of thread drift, BUT . . .
Why can't I buy a rubber cement like they have in the shoe shops that really does glue things up?
Last edited by LouisB; 02/18/20. Reason: Add info
Some spelling errors can be corrected by a vowel movement. ~ MOLON LABE ~
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3,445
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3,445 |
Some years back, used to repair leather climbing boots where the sole started separating from bashing about on mixed ice, snow and rock terrain using epoxy. Sand the welt.
Usually good for a couple trips.
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
Pronoun: Yes, SIR !
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,413 Likes: 1
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,413 Likes: 1 |
Irish Setter Elk Tracker.Great boots and they don't leak.Those glued on soles are crap. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=irish+se...ag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_ni9r253hd_e
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,391
Campfire Outfitter
|
Campfire Outfitter
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 9,391 |
There are plenty of high quality modern european mountaineering boots w/ non sewn soles. Light, waterproof and durable. Scarpa, Lowa, Salewa, Asolo etc. These are well proven all over the world in any conditions you can imagine. There is nothing wrong w/ 'old school' stuff but boots have made great advances that are performance enhancing and comfortable.
mike r
Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3,445
Campfire Tracker
|
Campfire Tracker
Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 3,445 |
Yeah, the Asolo boots were the ones I had to "re-glue", periodically. Good boots, though.
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
Pronoun: Yes, SIR !
|
|
|
|
653 members (1beaver_shooter, 16gage, 160user, 1Longbow, 01Foreman400, 12344mag, 65 invisible),
3,057
guests, and
1,284
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,192,620
Posts18,492,682
Members73,972
|
Most Online11,491 Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|