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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
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Of the holidays borrowed from the pagans, I am troubled most with "easter". For a number of reasons.



Can you tell us about that?


Wabi can certainly speak for himself but for me, pagan fertility symbols (eggs, chicks, bunny rabbits) don't belong anywhere near a celebration of the Resurrection. It makes me a little crazy when churches will have an Easter egg hunt for the kiddies after a sermon about the resurrection earlier in the morning. Most haven't a clue about the symbolism.

Its doubtful that its going to cause any real damage to the kids but I hate seeing the other team get any licks in on such a great day.


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Why such broad acceptance then?


Was Easter not accepted prior to all the commercialization?




When we were kids....we just knew that Hanukkah was the most important Jewish Holiday in the universe. We heard about it all the time, all those gifts........


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That is the devil at work.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
It's another pagan day Jim. It walks around the calendar.

Bunnies, and eggs are an old symbol of new life. "Easter" was the old pagan goddess, small "g'", of fertility .

I much preferer Resurrection Sunday.
Easter is in the Spring and was established earlier in history, because it has Middle Eastern origins. In the Middle East (Israel) harvest time & celebrations occur in the Spring. Easter was timed in relation to Passover, not a pagan festival.


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Tyrone, you are correct about Passover. Do some research on easter, and I think you see what I'm talking about.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Tyrone, you are correct about Passover. Do some research on easter, and I think you see what I'm talking about.

I see what you are talking about, but I also see symbols getting re-used and re-interpreted throughout history. However, I don't think your objections to easter rabbits are outside the bounds of prudence. It's something we can honestly disagree on and I certainly wouldn't fault you for trying to maintain a higher level of devotion.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
That is the devil at work.



The Hanukkah gifts or the acceptance of Easter?


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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck

14 Nissan is the start of Passover week.


To alleviate confusion, you should point out that in ancient times that would have been 14 Datsun.

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Originally Posted by Hastings
Weren't the wise men of the east thought to be Zoroastrian? There must have been some connection between them and Judaism. Imagine getting on horses or camels and travelling 2 years to pay homage to a baby. They knew what was up and who they were going to see. And there was no earthly way to send information other than to physically carry it overland. Some how they got the word and mounted up for a very treacherous journey.
Likely Persians/Chaldeans following in the steps laid by Daniel's time there. Chaldean and "magician" came to be synonymous for a time, hence "magi"? Tom Holland would enlighten...

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Originally Posted by K22
The three wise men=magi=astrologers.


[Greek lexicon] re; 'magos' = Babylonian root meaning oriental scientist

At the time of Jesus’ birth, Babylon was part of the Persian Empire having been conquered by Cyrus the Great.

Magi indicate they were originally a clan of the Medes who formed the priestly class in Persia (modern-day Iran).
They were well-educated, specializing in medicine, religion, astronomy, astrology, divination and magic.

From the fourth century BC onwards Magi were increasingly associated with astronomy and astrology.

around the time of Jesus’ birth, Jewish philosopher Philo of Alexandria described a certain Persian school
of Magi as “pseudo scientists”.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
I think you know Jim.



Why isn't there more push back from the Churches do you suppose?


I had never give it much thought, although I dont think our church does an Easter egg hunt or anything like that.


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I don't know Jim. Good question.


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This has been a good thread.


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I suppose with attendance down it would be hard to shoo people away.

We used to say that we were CEO Catholics.

Christmas and Easter only......

If you made it to church on those days you were golden.

Easter may not be a real good one to put so much emphasis on.....but there isnt really a bad reason to go to church is there?


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Originally Posted by nighthawk

The birth of Christ (do you know what that word "christ" means?) brings hope to all mankind.
Are you contending that's not the Christian tradition? Really?


Its highly subjective and Its marketing spin, hope to all mankind is a claim that not all of mankind actually
buys or subscribes to.

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Of what theological moment is it if Jesus was born on a Tuesday or a Thursday?


you ignore the much bigger picture,..they cannot even determine which year he was born and consequently died in.

Of course such details don't matter to pin the tail on the donkey christians like you.

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Correct interpretation of scripture is not of theological significance?


it sure is to a number of christians , but so is discerning which day month and actual year Jesus was born and died.

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you will also introduce Thomas Aquinas spin that you get lost in ,

Yeah, logical dissertation in the classical manner by perhaps the most respected theologian of modern times is nonsensical spin.


Aquinas claimed he leviated, had the lord speak to him, and had two angels appear to tell him
'to stay away from prostitutes' ...now if only he had a talking donkey like Balaam.






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Think of the Cross, and what it means.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
It's another pagan day Jim. It walks around the calendar.

Bunnies, and eggs are an old symbol of new life. "Easter" was the old pagan goddess, small "g'", of fertility .

I much preferer Resurrection Sunday.

So because some non-Christians celebrated the return of longer daylight and the promise of spring Christians can't use that symbol, that time of year, as the promise of salvation? Or symbols of renewal of life, eggs, bunnies as a symbol of being born again, all because some pagan thought of it first? Does that mean because other religions celebrate life Christians can't?

My, what a dower, sad religion. And here I thought the promise of salvation and particularly the fulfillment of that promise were joyous times to be celebrated to the fullest.


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Which explains a lot.
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