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just wonder how many police, state police, or guardsman are willing to give up there guns, have a friend that's a captain in the NY state police that is allow to own a ar15 but he needed a department letter to get it, the day he retires and if he still owns the said ar15 he becomes a class 4 felon in NY. all the ar15 that the guardsman, police, or state police in VA dint have to have a department letter allowing them to have them as state of VA didn't already have a band on ar15 like NY did. I would assume the police and other people on the inside of the system (judges, politicians, etc) are very quietly planning to keep their personal weapons and not turn them in. Those laws won't be enforced against them, so long as they are quiet and don't flaunt it. When was the last time you heard of a cop getting a traffic ticket? Different rules for different people. I agree, who said you or I have to turn it in our ar's just keep under the radar, but first time you or I or even judges, politicians and police takes them to the range we would all be open to get arrested, slot of cell phones out there, there's s big difference between a duty weapons and privately owned ones.
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just wonder how many police, state police, or guardsman are willing to give up there guns, have a friend that's a captain in the NY state police that is allow to own a ar15 but he needed a department letter to get it, the day he retires and if he still owns the said ar15 he becomes a class 4 felon in NY. all the ar15 that the guardsman, police, or state police in VA dint have to have a department letter allowing them to have them as state of VA didn't already have a band on ar15 like NY did. I would assume the police and other people on the inside of the system (judges, politicians, etc) are very quietly planning to keep their personal weapons and not turn them in. Those laws won't be enforced against them, so long as they are quiet and don't flaunt it. When was the last time you heard of a cop getting a traffic ticket? Different rules for different people. I agree, who said you or I have to turn it in our ar's just keep under the radar, but first time you or I or even judges, politicians and police takes them to the range we would all be open to get arrested, slot of cell phones out there My prediction is there will be lots of closed range days, for police use. THERE is where you would see the ARs come out of the woodwork...
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just wonder how many police, state police, or guardsman are willing to give up there guns, have a friend that's a captain in the NY state police that is allow to own a ar15 but he needed a department letter to get it, the day he retires and if he still owns the said ar15 he becomes a class 4 felon in NY. all the ar15 that the guardsman, police, or state police in VA dint have to have a department letter allowing them to have them as state of VA didn't already have a band on ar15 like NY did. I would assume the police and other people on the inside of the system (judges, politicians, etc) are very quietly planning to keep their personal weapons and not turn them in. Those laws won't be enforced against them, so long as they are quiet and don't flaunt it. When was the last time you heard of a cop getting a traffic ticket? Different rules for different people. I agree, who said you or I have to turn it in our ar's just keep under the radar, but first time you or I or even judges, politicians and police takes them to the range we would all be open to get arrested, slot of cell phones out there My prediction is there will be lots of closed range days, for police use. THERE is where you would see the ARs come out of the woodwork... good time for drones, and all of ranges around here has Security cameras
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And when the two conflict (as they never should, but might) which do you think they'll follow? The deviant governor who wants them to attack their own families and neighbors, or the overriding Constitution of the US? My belief is that they will do whatever allows them to keep their job.
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Four pages of Bills Pre-Filed for January 1, 2020 Democratic Nirvana http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+lst+ALLBloomberg's people wrote most of these and found some D puppet to rubber stamp. Virginia is in for a really nasty ride (WAY BEYOND GUNS!)
If you are not actively engaging EVERY enemy you encounter... you are allowing another to fight for you... and that is cowardice... plain and simple.
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Breaking News: https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/...ues-statement-calls-enforce-gun-control/VA National Guard Issues Statement Over Calls To Enforce Gun Control Democrat Congressman Donald McEachin’s comments about using the National Guard to enforce Governor Ralph Northam’s proposed gun control laws in Virginia has caused a storm of controversy in the state, to the point that the Adjutant General of the Virginia National Guard has issued a statement, after scores of phone calls and emails from concerned citizens and curious media figures. WSLS-TV in Roanoke was the first to report on the comments by Major General Timothy P. Williams: “We have received multiple questions regarding proposed legislation for the 2020 General Assembly session and the authority of the Governor of Virginia to employ the Virginia National Guard in a law enforcement role. Please make sure you share this message with your all of your personnel.
We understand and respect the passion people feel for the U.S. Constitution and 2nd Amendment rights. We will not speculate about the possible use of the Virginia National Guard. I encourage everyone to be patient while we allow our elected officials to work through the legislative process.
We have not received any requests from the Governor, or anyone on his staff, about serving in a law enforcement role related to any proposed legislation.
I expect our Soldiers, Airmen and members of the Virginia Defense Force to be professional and respectful in their discussions about this subject. As private citizens, our personnel are free to express their opinions to their elected officials, but they should not engage in any political activity while in a uniformed status.
We will provide regular updates when appropriate during the General Assembly session. Please utilize your chain of command to direct any questions or concerns to my office, and we will do our best to address them.”For those who were hoping that Maj. General Williams was going to come out swinging with a “Hell no we’re not taking anybody’s guns”, it wasn’t going to happen. Even if that’s how the adjutant general feels, he’s not going to pick a fight with the governor if he doesn’t have to. He can kick this can down the road, at least until and if Northam actually requests that the National Guard go into rural counties to look for people who are allowing their 17-year old daughter to hunt unsupervised on their property, or to try to catch someone transferring a firearm without a background check. If Northam were actually dumb enough to do that, I suspect what he’d find is yet another crisis of public confidence on his hands. Not only would he have to deal with dozens of counties and cities that have said “no” to unconstitutional gun control laws, he’d create a crisis within the Virginia National Guard, whose members swear to uphold the Constitution. Many of those National Guardsmen are gun owners and Second Amendment supporters as well, and I suspect there would be a genuine fracturing of the organization over the issue. In fact, if you read between the lines of the adjutant general’s statement, it’s clear that McEachin’s comment is already causing a stir within the Guard itself. The men and women of the Virginia National Guard signed up to defend freedom, not establish a police state on American soil where soldiers search for scofflaws who refuse to register their rifles with the Virginia State Police.
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They can't do that and if the governor does issue orders the President can counter them. The Second Amendment cannot be infringed.
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Well.....if they go along with it some folks wont be getting pensions.
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Breaking News: https://bearingarms.com/cam-e/2019/...ues-statement-calls-enforce-gun-control/VA National Guard Issues Statement Over Calls To Enforce Gun Control Democrat Congressman Donald McEachin’s comments about using the National Guard to enforce Governor Ralph Northam’s proposed gun control laws in Virginia has caused a storm of controversy in the state, to the point that the Adjutant General of the Virginia National Guard has issued a statement, after scores of phone calls and emails from concerned citizens and curious media figures. WSLS-TV in Roanoke was the first to report on the comments by Major General Timothy P. Williams: “We have received multiple questions regarding proposed legislation for the 2020 General Assembly session and the authority of the Governor of Virginia to employ the Virginia National Guard in a law enforcement role. Please make sure you share this message with your all of your personnel.
We understand and respect the passion people feel for the U.S. Constitution and 2nd Amendment rights. We will not speculate about the possible use of the Virginia National Guard. I encourage everyone to be patient while we allow our elected officials to work through the legislative process.
We have not received any requests from the Governor, or anyone on his staff, about serving in a law enforcement role related to any proposed legislation.
I expect our Soldiers, Airmen and members of the Virginia Defense Force to be professional and respectful in their discussions about this subject. As private citizens, our personnel are free to express their opinions to their elected officials, but they should not engage in any political activity while in a uniformed status.
We will provide regular updates when appropriate during the General Assembly session. Please utilize your chain of command to direct any questions or concerns to my office, and we will do our best to address them.”For those who were hoping that Maj. General Williams was going to come out swinging with a “Hell no we’re not taking anybody’s guns”, it wasn’t going to happen. Even if that’s how the adjutant general feels, he’s not going to pick a fight with the governor if he doesn’t have to. He can kick this can down the road, at least until and if Northam actually requests that the National Guard go into rural counties to look for people who are allowing their 17-year old daughter to hunt unsupervised on their property, or to try to catch someone transferring a firearm without a background check. If Northam were actually dumb enough to do that, I suspect what he’d find is yet another crisis of public confidence on his hands. Not only would he have to deal with dozens of counties and cities that have said “no” to unconstitutional gun control laws, he’d create a crisis within the Virginia National Guard, whose members swear to uphold the Constitution. Many of those National Guardsmen are gun owners and Second Amendment supporters as well, and I suspect there would be a genuine fracturing of the organization over the issue. In fact, if you read between the lines of the adjutant general’s statement, it’s clear that McEachin’s comment is already causing a stir within the Guard itself. The men and women of the Virginia National Guard signed up to defend freedom, not establish a police state on American soil where soldiers search for scofflaws who refuse to register their rifles with the Virginia State Police.He ain't taking a stand until the last minute. My first knee jerk reaction to Northam may have been wrong. I view him as a left handed poltroon. But now I think him and the new dem legislature is really truly brain dead stupid. It may come to something ugly. They greatly underestimate our numbers and our resolve.
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I believe there is US Supreme Court president from a few years back in allowing Chicago citizen to keep firearms per 2nd Amendment. My way of thinking is a state or local government cannot usurp a constitutional right no matter how they try to manipulate the language. Bans are BS. Federal application of the 2nd amendment should never apply or be subject to state or municipal overreach. If things go bad for Virginians those that can move should get the hell out of the state. Let them feel some financial pain like all the other left wing lunatic states. Move out west to Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, Wyoming, etc., where men and women are praised for their patriotism, rule of law and upholding the Constitution. Kansas, Missouri, Wyoming require zero permitting for CC or open carry. No offense to anyone, but living out east must really suck when it comes to personal freedom and having to live under a nanny state.
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Lots of folks West of 81 have roots going back 200 to 300 years.
They won't move.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
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I'm not fleeing [bleep]. Family from both sides been here since 1700's. We'll fight and win. Any sympathy or concern should be kept for the socialist liberals who are about to get their asses handed to them
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Fully understand, hope you can accomplish that goal and set that example, it would be great.
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While picking up and moving may be an option for some,it's not for me and my family. We're living on the same land my ancestors settled in 1780. My elderly parents live in a house built before the civil war. Got six generations buried here, with rumors of a yankee solder buried out in the far woods. Got nowhere to go. I believe we'll have to see this through. The good thing is, from what I've been seeing, we won't be alone.
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'If you say the parent you were most afraid when you were a kid was your dad, you grew up in the city.'
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Lots of Virginians East of I 81, and East of I 95 have roots just as deep, and won't move either!
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Lots of Virginians East of I 81, and East of I 95 have roots just as deep, and won't move either! Lots of Virginians all over the Commonwealth. Really good guys from Winchester to Hillsville, Pulaski, Wise county, Lynchburg, Danville, Appomattox, northern neck, Eastern shore, Stafford and Fredericksburg, Leesburg etc.... These idiots live in very densely populated, isolated pockets of liberalism.... Get voted in by the free schit crowd and social justice/environmental idealists duped by the MSM/left-wing propaganda machine. Virginia Citizens Defense League should be given a LOT of credit...they've done one hell of a great job getting word out and organizing folks to get the 2A sanctuary movement spreading like wildfire in the state. They'll definitely be getting more money from me.
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Lots of Virginians East of I 81, and East of I 95 have roots just as deep, and won't move either! Good on ya friend!
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
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Jackmountain,
For the time being looks like you folks are on the front lines. The vibe I get, if it gets sporty you will have out of stater's showing up to help the cause.
Gods speed
Originally Posted by Judman
PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha
Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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Virginia is an odd cultural mix. Up north it's a very wealthy part of the D.C. metro area. Get down south a bit and it's Appalachia.
For a smaller sized state, Kentucky is broken up culturally, a bit. But except for a couple of big urban areas everybody here is culturally close enough to get along.
Virginia has two cultural extremes going on. When the inevitable clash finally occurs, I wouldn't be surprised if it started in Virginia.
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