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No one on this site is as big a fan of Remington firearms as I am, and despite all the negative publicity, I've always had good luck out of them.............until this morning. I have a Remington Model 7 Predator that I bought new in either 2008 or 09, not sure just know it was as soon as I found out about them being introduced. It's always been one of my favorite rifles, it's in 223 and a very good shooter. When I got it, I adjusted the trigger to 3-3 1/2 pounds, and it's been very consistent........and yes, I adjusted it properly.
About 3 years ago, I was shooting at a coyote one real cold morning, and when I flipped the safety off, the rifle fired. I was wearing gloves that morning, and thought I had put my finger on the trigger unknowingly. To be sure, I took the rifle apart, cleaned the trigger with gas, blew it clean with air, put it back together, and tried to get it to accidently fire probably 50 times, and it would not. I have used this rifle a bunch since then with zero problems.
Now, fast forward until last week. Took it out to check the zero, and the first time I went to fire it, it went off as soon as the safety was released......but again as before, the weather was cold and I had on gloves, so I suspected a light trigger pull and the fact that arthritis makes my fingers not have a lot sensitivity. Again, I took it apart, cleaned it good, checked the pull, and tried to make it go off again a number of times, and it didn't. Took it hunting yesterday morning, and checked it again several times, by pointing it upward with a loaded chamber and taking the safety off............and it never fired.
This morning, I went coyote hunting again, and having no luck, decided to shoot a crow. It went off again prematurely, and again, I had on gloves which made me think......but, I knew I had not put pressure on the trigger. So, I tried it a second time, finger nowhere near the trigger, and the rifle fired when I took the safety off.
I've got a bunch of Remington rifles, several with the Walker trigger, and have never had a problem until now. I don't like the XMark-Pro trigger, and have replaced most of mine either with a Timney or put in a spring from Ernie the Gunsmith. On this particular rifle, I know the trigger isn't full of oil and grime, and I know it was adjusted properly. I am going to replace it......today. I'll toss the old one, which is apparently a Walker style, as it's not the newer ones. I don't trust it anymore..........period. I still like my Remington rifles, and would buy another one day with no qualms whatsoever. But, I will no longer defend their trigger issue, and it is a major issue, as I can now personally attest.
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you adjusted it, so is it really Remington's fault?
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If you keep the trigger I suggest a little creep (more sear engagement). All of my hunting rifles have some creep and I want them like that.
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Jeez, you are a little slow on the uptake. Fortunately, no one was hurt.
I have never had a problem with a Remington trigger but I have never adjusted one either. I did put a Timney trigger on one and it has been good.
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I had an out of the box 700 ADL 25-06 do that when I was walking back to the car and with the rifle pointed safely flicked the safety off to unload the rifle. My hunting partner in front of me almost had a heart attack. I thought at the time that I had actually touched the trigger when I had not. I bought that rifle in 1974.
If they were not problematic, Remington would never have changed the design and suffered thru numerous lawsuits. The design cannot be defended, it is a sheetmetal POS made on the cheap.
How is it that Sako,Tikka, Winchester, Ruger and a host of others never had this problem?
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Should've let a gunsmith do it. Then it'd still be screwed up and also have KFC crumbs in it. And he'd have it for 15 months and charge you $200.
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James, had this happen to me last year with my 722 in 257 Bob. Cleaned it all up and tested. Nothing since. So I am very sympathetic. I will be switching it out because this particular rifle will be going to my grandson when I'm gone. I am a fan of old Remingtons, especially rimfires. But when something needs fixed we should do it.
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you adjusted it, so is it really Remington's fault? I have been adjusting Remington triggers, the screw for pull weight, on EVERY Remington 700 or 7 that I've owned, and that's been a bunch. Never had a problem until now. By the way, I never adjust a Remington trigger below 3 pounds, as I like mine in the 3-3 1/2 range for hunting. I know people who have claimed they went off, and they never adjusted theirs, leaving them as they came from the factory. I was a doubter.........until now.
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Here's how the Rem trigger lawsuits should've gone:
Rem lawyer: "Did you adjust the trigger either yourself or have someone do it for you?"
Plaintiff: "Yes".
Judge: "Case Dismissed"
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Precisely why you don't rely on an empty gun or a safety, If you rely on muzzle control nobody gets hurt when everything else goes wrong.
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Precisely why you don't rely on an empty gun or a safety, If you rely on muzzle control nobody gets hurt when everything else goes wrong. This^^^^. Perhaps James could make that dumbass Rollin Blunder a good deal on that rifle.
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No one on this site is as big a fan of Remington firearms as I am, and despite all the negative publicity, I've always had good luck out of them.............until this morning. I have a Remington Model 7 Predator that I bought new in either 2008 or 09, not sure just know it was as soon as I found out about them being introduced. It's always been one of my favorite rifles, it's in 223 and a very good shooter. When I got it, I adjusted the trigger to 3-3 1/2 pounds, and it's been very consistent........and yes, I adjusted it properly.
About 3 years ago, I was shooting at a coyote one real cold morning, and when I flipped the safety off, the rifle fired. I was wearing gloves that morning, and thought I had put my finger on the trigger unknowingly. To be sure, I took the rifle apart, cleaned the trigger with gas, blew it clean with air, put it back together, and tried to get it to accidently fire probably 50 times, and it would not. I have used this rifle a bunch since then with zero problems.
Now, fast forward until last week. Took it out to check the zero, and the first time I went to fire it, it went off as soon as the safety was released......but again as before, the weather was cold and I had on gloves, so I suspected a light trigger pull and the fact that arthritis makes my fingers not have a lot sensitivity. Again, I took it apart, cleaned it good, checked the pull, and tried to make it go off again a number of times, and it didn't. Took it hunting yesterday morning, and checked it again several times, by pointing it upward with a loaded chamber and taking the safety off............and it never fired.
This morning, I went coyote hunting again, and having no luck, decided to shoot a crow. It went off again prematurely, and again, I had on gloves which made me think......but, I knew I had not put pressure on the trigger. So, I tried it a second time, finger nowhere near the trigger, and the rifle fired when I took the safety off.
I've got a bunch of Remington rifles, several with the Walker trigger, and have never had a problem until now. I don't like the XMark-Pro trigger, and have replaced most of mine either with a Timney or put in a spring from Ernie the Gunsmith. On this particular rifle, I know the trigger isn't full of oil and grime, and I know it was adjusted properly. I am going to replace it......today. I'll toss the old one, which is apparently a Walker style, as it's not the newer ones. I don't trust it anymore..........period. I still like my Remington rifles, and would buy another one day with no qualms whatsoever. But, I will no longer defend their trigger issue, and it is a major issue, as I can now personally attest. One word: TriggerTech....
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There are 2 groups of sportsmen:
1. those who don't believe the Remington trigger has a problem. They've never had one fire.
2. those who have had one misbehave.
Those in group 1 will readily convert to group 2 when one of their rifles does misbehave.
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I also own several Remington 700's and I have adjusted most of them with no problems. Until a couple of years ago. One of mine went off when I released the safety. It was pretty cold out but I was not wearing gloves. I'm pretty sure that I didn't touch the trigger. Mine was pretty dirty, as I had just returned from a hunting trip in Wyoming. It had a pretty good load of red dust in it, like everything else that I took on that trip!
Anyway, all of my 700's have Jewell triggers now.
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Post means nothing since you adjusted the trigger.
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I havea 6mm 700 ADL converted to BDL. Will leave it to my son but he is not the rifle loony I am so a new trigger is on my list.
Thinking Trigger Tech. Anyone recommend something else?
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Precisely why you don't rely on an empty gun or a safety, If you rely on muzzle control nobody gets hurt when everything else goes wrong. EXACTLY!! Rule Number ONE. Have 5 Rem 700's none of which have the original trigger.
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Remington 700s: The biggest POS hoax perpetrated to the shooting public in a century...
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I had a model 700 Remington fired once when I took it off safe and another one when I closed the bolt. One time was too many to trust it. I replaced the trigger/ safety with a Timney. I have a model 660 that is in the recall as well. I sure ain't sending it to Remington for another of their s**t triggers. I need to replace it with a model 500 Timney.
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