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It doesn't matter if you are a Remington fan or not, a box aka enclosed trigger, is an accident waiting to happen in cold weather. You will not find a box trigger on any military rifle I know off. I have experienced the same with a 700 as you. Cost me a coyote and a 5 point bull elk. Moisture can enter the trigger housing and freeze. I sold my last 700 to a guy and the trigger froze up on him in elk camp. In contrast I was in heavy weather hunting elk with my pre 64 model 70 and the entire action was covered in a 1/4" of ice and I could not open the bolt without beating on it. But the trigger worked as this model has an improved military trigger. When I pulled the trigger on that old 375 the ice shower was impressive.
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No one on this site is as big a fan of Remington firearms as I am, and despite all the negative publicity, I've always had good luck out of them.............until this morning. I have a Remington Model 7 Predator that I bought new in either 2008 or 09, not sure just know it was as soon as I found out about them being introduced. It's always been one of my favorite rifles, it's in 223 and a very good shooter. When I got it, I adjusted the trigger to 3-3 1/2 pounds, and it's been very consistent........and yes, I adjusted it properly.
About 3 years ago, I was shooting at a coyote one real cold morning, and when I flipped the safety off, the rifle fired. I was wearing gloves that morning, and thought I had put my finger on the trigger unknowingly. To be sure, I took the rifle apart, cleaned the trigger with gas, blew it clean with air, put it back together, and tried to get it to accidently fire probably 50 times, and it would not. I have used this rifle a bunch since then with zero problems.
Now, fast forward until last week. Took it out to check the zero, and the first time I went to fire it, it went off as soon as the safety was released......but again as before, the weather was cold and I had on gloves, so I suspected a light trigger pull and the fact that arthritis makes my fingers not have a lot sensitivity. Again, I took it apart, cleaned it good, checked the pull, and tried to make it go off again a number of times, and it didn't. Took it hunting yesterday morning, and checked it again several times, by pointing it upward with a loaded chamber and taking the safety off............and it never fired.
This morning, I went coyote hunting again, and having no luck, decided to shoot a crow. It went off again prematurely, and again, I had on gloves which made me think......but, I knew I had not put pressure on the trigger. So, I tried it a second time, finger nowhere near the trigger, and the rifle fired when I took the safety off.
I've got a bunch of Remington rifles, several with the Walker trigger, and have never had a problem until now. I don't like the XMark-Pro trigger, and have replaced most of mine either with a Timney or put in a spring from Ernie the Gunsmith. On this particular rifle, I know the trigger isn't full of oil and grime, and I know it was adjusted properly. I am going to replace it......today. I'll toss the old one, which is apparently a Walker style, as it's not the newer ones. I don't trust it anymore..........period. I still like my Remington rifles, and would buy another one day with no qualms whatsoever. But, I will no longer defend their trigger issue, and it is a major issue, as I can now personally attest. One of the biggest problems, is when gunk gets in the trigger housing. Take it off, spray the hell out of it with brake cleaner, and then carefully follow the steps to readjust the trigger. I have had no issues doing this. I had a trigger fail, also, but the de-gunking cured it. It is very critical to adjust it correctly, too.
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I havea 6mm 700 ADL converted to BDL. Will leave it to my son but he is not the rifle loony I am so a new trigger is on my list.
Thinking Trigger Tech. Anyone recommend something else?
Have had good luck with Jewell but a bit pricey. Rifle Basix?
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I only have one Remington 700, it's the "compact tactical rifle" model of the "extreme condition rifle" in .223. When all the geehow started about the triggers I contacted Remington and they said they'd send me a box to ship it back in. Six weeks later the box arrived. I figured if it took them six weeks to get a box to me, I might never see my rifle again. I put a Timney trigger in it and lived happily ever after.
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Why even build an adjustable trigger if you can't adjust it without creating a dangerous situation? That's bad enough. Throw in the out-of-box failures and you have a magnificent NO GO.
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"cleaned the trigger with gas"
Gasoline? I thought trigger mechanisms required a little lubrication.
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I second the motion of Trigger Tech. Best trigger going and they are priced right as well.
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I have two questions.
Is the factory trigger in current production Remington rifles known to have the misfires?
Are there instances of misfires in triggers that have not been adjusted?
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Are there instances of misfires in triggers that have not been adjusted?
I'm interested in the answers to Paul's questions, especially the second one.
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Post means nothing since you adjusted the trigger. I'm a Remington fan myself. As of last few tears I have bought mostly Winchester 70s and have grown to like them more than anything else. Why doesn't anyone ever hear about a Winchester 70 trigger releasing the sear when taking off of safety after it has been adjusted by the owners like one constantly hears about the Remingtons? If adjusting the spring tension screw to a safe pull weight of 3-3 1/2 lbs and not the over travel or sear engagement screw, what difference should it make in all reality? If the trigger is only safe with a 6-7 lb pull weight, it's not really safe from the factory anyway.
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"cleaned the trigger with gas"
Gasoline? I thought trigger mechanisms required a little lubrication. Don't oil a Remington trigger because of gummy residue after the old mineral based oils dry. Probably safer with newer synthetic oils, but lighter fluid has been the go to cleaning solvent for Remington triggers for a while.
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The Remington issue has been out there for years. Anyone still running a older Remington Walker style trigger is foolish. There are countless aftermarket solutions. Anyone having one go off on them multiple times without a complete trigger change out is a really slow learner and damned lucky no one got hurt.
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Are there instances of misfires in triggers that have not been adjusted?
Yes, I bought a 660 350 mag from a neighbor. He pulled it out of his gun cabinet to show me worked the bolt, put the safety on, and the trigger released when he put the safety to fire. He contacted Remington and they gave him a shipping label to a repair center. He had Remington fix the trigger before he sold it to me.
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There are 2 groups of sportsmen:
1. those who don't believe the Remington trigger has a problem. They've never had one improperly fire.
2. those who have had one misbehave.
Those in group 1 will readily convert to group 2 when one of their rifles does misbehave.
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Thanks, JamesJr, for the PSA. I've never had an issue with a Remington trigger but I think going forward I'm just going to switch 'em out, period. No reason to take a chance. I prefer Timney and Trigger Tech anyways.
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I have two questions.
Is the factory trigger in current production Remington rifles known to have the misfires?
Are there instances of misfires in triggers that have not been adjusted? Can’t answer the first. As to the second, yes.
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Having owned 50+ rifles w/the Walker trigger, I know this is BS. IF repeat IF the guts of the trigger are kept clean, rust free and properly lubed there are no problems. It's a crappy trigger to use around salt water. Many of the "new" triggers are needlessly complex, like the Walker but will work IF MAINTAINED. Even "Winchester" dropped the single stage best trigger ever in favor for a complicated POS. The best ever and safest triggers ever are those in National Match 03s and M-1s. 2 stages make them safe and they are easily tuned to break like a glass rod. As with any mechanical device the more complex the more attention is required.
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Having owned 50+ rifles w/the Walker trigger, I know this is BS. Until it happens to you...
I'm a Remington fan myself. As of last few tears I have bought mostly Winchester 70s and have grown to like them more than anything else. Why doesn't anyone ever hear about a Winchester 70 trigger releasing the sear when taking off of safety after it has been adjusted by the owners like one constantly hears about the Remingtons?
Totally different safety function - the M70 retracts the firing pin, unlike the Remington designs which do not..
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"cleaned the trigger with gas"
Gasoline? I thought trigger mechanisms required a little lubrication. Don't oil a Remington trigger because of gummy residue after the old mineral based oils dry. Probably safer with newer synthetic oils, but lighter fluid has been the go to cleaning solvent for Remington triggers for a while. A friend of mine who has several Rem 700's he uses for target shooting uses charcoal lighter to clean his Rem 700 triggers and blows them out with air. That's what the old gunsmith who built his rifles told said to use because it leaves a little bit of oil when it evaporates.
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I have several Rem 700s and have never had an issue so far but I don't doubt those who have. I have had a few adjusted by a gunsmith that I trust and have lightened the pull on a few myself. Someone on this forum recommended cleaning with lighter fluid. That's what I use, it leaves a slight film I imagine.
Can they fire when loading the chamber with the safety off? I wouldn't think so.
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