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I only shoot three shot groups for load development. After I get my load figured out. I shoot one or shots about a week before deer season. It’s the first shot counts the most. Bingo....
Ex- USN (SS) '66-'69
Pro-Constitution.
LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
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Campfire Regular
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Pretty much all my animals are taken with just one shot, so I only shoot one-shot groups.
:-)
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That's a really good looking rifle DF. Love the stainless barrel and blued receiver. I'll bet it's a pleasure in the hand.
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Campfire Ranger
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Instead of spending/wasting time on the bench like the paper queen, I prefer to spend my time like this......I've never come close to hurling 10 shots consecutively at any animal. ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/Di2UXk8.jpg) ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/OBbj8Ix.jpg)
Last edited by JGRaider; 12/03/19.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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Cool rig DF! That's a great load and rifle you have there!
Semper Fi
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Campfire 'Bwana
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One more time: The number of shots you'd shoot or not shoot at an animal has no bearing on the accuracy of the estimate of actual group center and size provided by whatever number of shots.
I'm not arguing whether or not a particular person needs the "better math/stat" to do what they do in the hunting fields.
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Instead of spending/wasting time on the bench like the paper queen, I prefer to spend my time like this......I've never come close to hurling 10 shots consecutively at any animal. Instead of spending/wasting time on the bench like the paper queen, I prefer to spend my time like this......I've never come close to hurling 10 shots consecutively at any animal. West Texas? Nice!!!!
But as for me and my house we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Phil. 4:13
I DON'T NEED A WSM AS I HAVE A WEATHERBY!
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Instead of spending/wasting time on the bench like the paper queen, I prefer to spend my time like this......I've never come close to hurling 10 shots consecutively at any animal.
Are you trying to brag about not shooting very much? Some of us actually enjoy shooting, and do it a lot just for the sake of practice and being good at it.
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I’ve had much success with the .308 165 regular GameKing decided to try out the same but HPBT. Accuracy was just as good and took a doe with it this past Sunday. Offhand 80 yard shot, I hit her high breaking the spine and dropping her. Walked up and finished her off with a neck shot. Caliber entry wound and 2.5” exit hole on both shots. I’ll be hunting the remaining of our season with the load hogs and whitetails. I can take three bucks and as many does as the opportunity presents.
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Campfire Ranger
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Instead of spending/wasting time on the bench like the paper queen, I prefer to spend my time like this......I've never come close to hurling 10 shots consecutively at any animal.
Are you trying to brag about not shooting very much? Some of us actually enjoy shooting, and do it a lot just for the sake of practice and being good at it. Quit guessing, it makes you look like a fool.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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Damn fine rifle! I shoot three shot groups too. It just depends on how I feel that day.
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One more time: The number of shots you'd shoot or not shoot at an animal has no bearing on the accuracy of the estimate of actual group center and size provided by whatever number of shots.
At least someone gets it... John
If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Did the groups hit in the same position relative to the POA? What would the composite group look like if you overlaid the targets?
John All were centered, 1 1/2" high at a hundred. I never overlapped them. but POI looked about the same. Groups didn't shift enough to be evident. Years ago, I bought a 40XB in .244. It came from Remington with an aggregate .38" target of three (3) shot groups, 60 gr. Sierra over 3031. That's the way they tested it. So, my thinking, if it's good enough for Remington, it'll do for me. Now, if I had shot a 10 shot string, would it still be less than 1/2". I don't know, but think it would be pretty close. If I took the largest group, .64", as the standard, it would still be pretty good. And, my 4 wheeler shooting bench wasn't the best, just very handy. DF Actually is was three (5) shot groups. I found the factory target that accompanied the rifle. The groups don't overlap, so I don't know their protocol for shooting these groups. DF ![[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]](https://i.imgur.com/nxbmkhw.jpg)
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Campfire 'Bwana
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Did the groups hit in the same position relative to the POA? What would the composite group look like if you overlaid the targets?
John All were centered, 1 1/2" high at a hundred. I never overlapped them. but POI looked about the same. Groups didn't shift enough to be evident. Years ago, I bought a 40XB in .244. It came from Remington with an aggregate .38" target of three (3) shot groups, 60 gr. Sierra over 3031. That's the way they tested it. So, my thinking, if it's good enough for Remington, it'll do for me. Now, if I had shot a 10 shot string, would it still be less than 1/2". I don't know, but think it would be pretty close. If I took the largest group, .64", as the standard, it would still be pretty good. And, my 4 wheeler shooting bench wasn't the best, just very handy. DF Actually is was three (5) shot groups. I found the factory target that accompanied the rifle. The groups don't overlap, so I don't know their protocol for shooting these groups. DF Maybe they were using a leupold, because they are all over the place, in regards to poi. Have you noticed it doing the same thing when you shoot it? This is one of the reasons some of us shoot 10 shot groups. It gives a better representation of your true zero.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Every time a 10 shot group thread or a scope thread comes up there is a disconnect between the hunters and the hunter/shooters.
It is okay if the hunter/shooter has standards that are beyond necessary for hunting.
It is okay if the hunter don't.
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Campfire 'Bwana
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Every time a 10 shot group thread or a scope thread comes up there is a disconnect between the hunters and the hunter/shooters.
It is okay if the hunter/shooter has standards that are beyond necessary for hunting.
It is okay if the hunter don't.
^^^^^THIS^^^^^
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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Johnny, I'd prefer to be called a paper KING, not queen. 
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Instead of spending/wasting time on the bench like the paper queen, I prefer to spend my time like this......I've never come close to hurling 10 shots consecutively at any animal. Uncle johnny, I resemble that remark as well, until this year, and I bout burned clints barrel up on a coues deer!!😂😂 usually it's much less.😎👍
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Ping pong balls for the win.
Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable
I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Ain’t easy havin pals.
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Instead of spending/wasting time on the bench like the paper queen, I prefer to spend my time like this......I've never come close to hurling 10 shots consecutively at any animal. John, I do believe that buck is taking a nap...😂😎
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