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My pastor used to take me hunting. He owned a Cessna 172 and we used to fly to Eastern Washington in it to go pheasant hunting. We’d land on a private airstrip in the middle of a nowhere cornfield and have pheasants flushing all around us when we closed the door to the airplane. It was the most incredible bird hunting I’ve ever done and it made for some great memories.
I view pastors, priests, shaman, etc as mere messengers. They’re mortal men full of sin just like the next guy and don’t carry any supernatural powers like some try to assign to them. Just because some dumb ass says something doesn’t mean it’s true, not unlike the internet. 😉
�Politicians are the lowest form of life on earth. Liberal Democrats are the lowest form of politician.� �General George S. Patton, Jr.
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~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
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Well said Ace. The devil wants us all split apart. One more time, accept the Greatest Gift ever. Love Jesus back, start where you are, the Faith will grow.
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"May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
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Oh well,nothing too special about that I suppose....pretty much everyone who believes in heaven and hell beleive they and those who beleive like they do will go to the former, everyone else to the later. I've found its mildly interesting but completely unproductive to bother discussing it much anymore.
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Campfire Kahuna
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We are all free to make our choice, May God Bless us all, and the best to all.
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
"May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
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We are all free to make our choice, May God Bless us all, and the best to all. I really don't think we're as free as we'd like to believe
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Campfire Kahuna
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These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
"May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
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antelope_sniper: Good afternoon to you sir, I hope that this second Saturday of 2020 finds you well, warm and dry. Honestly I'm not an excellent Biblical scholar by any definition, but I did honestly study this particular subject a fair bit because the church I was raised in had pacifistic teachings. Perhaps better said the congregation did or that was how I understood it. It became a sticking point with me and for years it was a wedge between my late father and myself as I rejected a lot of what I'd been taught - in large part because of the inclination towards pacifism. For instance, the one quote often used was after the aforementioned incident where Peter cuts off the servant's ear - "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword" If we take that as a stand alone verse, it does seem to indicate we shouldn't "live by the sword" - but... there was the nettlesome interaction with the centurion in Matthew 8:5-13 that always came immediately to my mind. Here it is: 5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.” 7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?” 8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” 13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment. From your posts, I know you to be an educated and erudite individual, so you and I both well know what a centurion was, how he got that job and how he kept it on the Galilean frontier. He would be a straight up "bad dude" a force to be reckoned with and carried not only a sword, but a dagger as well, right? Both of which he would have used with deadly effect on a number of occasions as they were the tools of his chosen trade. What struck me was that Christ didn't say to him, "Listen, I'd maybe consider doing this for you if you would quit your job. It's really distasteful and you do way too many nasty things for me to even consider it". As a kid I pondered that a lot and as an adult have come to the conclusion that for some of us - like the other thread we conversed on - dying by the sword isn't necessarily a bad thing. If we live by the sword, surely we may die by it - but if we're truly servants then this is just a stop over anyway, correct? That and we're all going to die some way at some point in our lives - the end being the final part of the journey here. Anyway for me, Christ's response to the centurion was a key to rejecting pacifistic doctrine as taught by some churches. As always, I would never say I'm right - I have faith that I am - but again I'm not trying to convert anyone else to believe the way I do. Many roads to Mecca and all that, right?  Thanks for making me think again as I tried to articulate why I've come to believe what I do. All the best to you once again. Dwayne The Centurians in the Bible were usually shown in good light. They were never condemed for being professional soldiers, armed and in uniform. They never got kicked out of Starbucks. They didn't have to rid themselves of their ordinance in order to interact with and be accepted by the Lord.. Libs have a special way of twisting the Scripture to fit their narrative. The Word says what it means, means what it says. DF
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So much of who we are and what we beleive is a result of how we were raised and taught as children. In this example of religious belief, most people here who are Christian were raised that way or at least grew up in a country where that was the predominant religion. There was very little chance I'd ever be a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Mormon or any other of the various religions, because I didn't really even know about them until long after my religious beliefs were already established. I could never honestly say I looked at all the different beliefs and chose what I was going to follow based on what I found.
Then too there is the bigget question of if you can even choose to believe something. If its something that you don't want to be true, and you also don't find it beleiveable, could you still choose to believe? And down the rabbit hole from there...
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I respect your thoughts, As a born again Christion, I am told to spread the Word. The best to you, and once again may God bless you, and loved ones.
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We are all free to make our choice, May God Bless us all, and the best to all. Do you regular church folk find it necessary to put up with the horescrap that goes hand in hand with organized religion to get to Heaven? can't a man/woman have a relationship with the big Man and his Daddy without assembly?
Trump Won!
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I’d rather be on my waverunner thinking about God than sittin in church thinking about my waverunner.
I heard that somewhere
Insert deer stand or bass boat, etc
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For Peter to just get his ear was it an excellent shot or did he almost miss completely?
Fortunately what some random minister thinks doesn't matter. There's one on TV that implies I am going to hell because I won't send him $1,000.
If you believe the scriptures, it's Peter, the right hand man of The Son of God, the first Pope, The Rock upon which the church was build. He hit exactly where he aimed. So say the Catholics but not the Bible.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
― George Orwell
It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.
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I’d rather be on my waverunner thinking about God than sittin in church thinking about my waverunner.
I heard that somewhere
Insert deer stand or bass boat, etc
LOL!
Trump Won!
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Good question Gunner. You did put it squarely to me, fair enough. All I can think is to keep the eye on the "prize'.
Some things in life just ring true like a good bell. Prayer, reading the Book, talking with others that believe, all influence me.
As has been said, "I believe, help my unbelief".
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10-4, Thanks for the inspiration Wabigoon.
Trump Won!
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This being the unofficial chaplain of this forum makes my head hurt. 
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
"May the Good Lord take a likin' to you"
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My lack of educated knowledge aside, this is a good thread. Please keep on.
These premises insured by a Sheltie in Training ,--- and Cooey.o
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Yes, for the unwashed masses, me being the most filthy. 
Trump Won!
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Hey, we got liebs on here.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
I Dindo Nuffin
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Heck, If I'm going to hell, I'm already there....
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
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