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Do not use the 215 SGK until you test it in whatever media you like. I tested them with my 338-06 in dry magazines and they did not open at all. Another member had the same result. Sierra said it was designed for the 338 WM. I have to laugh at that. If it won’t open at point blank range out of a 338-06 where would it work in a WinMag?
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I'm just finishing restocking my Improved. Before I changed stocks, it shot 200 NABs pretty well with both CFE-223 and Big Game. I'd like to increase its versatility, adding 210 NPTs, 215 SGKs and 210 Sciroccos to its repertoire. And, when in doubt, there's always Re-15....... I've read the 215 SGK is a hard bullet, a bit hard for WT's and such, maybe OK for big, tough critters. I have some but doubt I'll be using them on our local deer. What have you heard or seen with that bullet? The 140 SGK HPBT is the most accurate bullet in my 7-08 and currently my bullet of choice for deer and hogs. DF I can attest, that both the Sierra 338 cal 215 grainer AND the 200 grain Sierra 30 cal, gave poor performance on a few white tails in northern MN years ago...just like the game changer 6mm 90 grainer.. they need to be pushed real hard, and on larger big game than just Bambi and friends...and that was according to Sierra techs....and yeah, call me crazy but I have a habit of calling manufacturers customer service when a product fails.. be it bullets or a toaster...or a set of tires... why Sierra likes to make some bullets too darn hard for most applications is beyond me.. Addendum... in the 338 bore, after having what I considered poor performance in my 338/06 from some bullets, like Sierra, and decided not to try the premium stuff due to price.. but came to that conclusion AFTER I tried plain old Hornady SPs.. which they 'wisely'.. ( read that as sarcasm) discontinue.. but with stiff charges of H 380, the 200, 225 and 250 grain RN/SP worked real well... so didn't need to try any other higher cost bullets... the Hornadys were also quite accurate...I still have enough to outlast my getting old, old ass... In 30 caliber, from Sierra, I settled my uses on just a couple of their bullets....the 180 and 220 grain RN...and the 150 gr FN or RN.. for the 30/30... lower velocity loads... their 110 grain HP, worked well behind a load of 30 grains of 4198, on Oregon Blacktails.. especially for kids and/or the wife...Hornady's 180 and 220 gr RNs.. they never fail... fast or slow...
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In the 338-06 heavy bullets are pretty slow compared to the 338 WM. I’m thinking the 225 is about the heaviest I‘d want to use, saving 250’s for the 338 WM.
And bullet length is a consideration with case capacity. The heavier monos are pretty long. In fact if you look at the 160 TTSX, it’s almost as long as the 210 NPT. If the 180 NAB shoots as good as I think it will, it could be a player. Right now, 160 TTSX and 210 NPT are top contenders.
DF DF, my 338/06, using my favorite H 380 yields 2900+ with a 200 grain bullet, 2750 plus with a 225, and 2650 fps with a 250 gr RN, all Hornady bullets... or the three IMR powders.. 3031, 4895, and 4064, do awfully darn well for velocity and accuracy with those three bullets... besides another interesting thing noted ( and credit goes to the Sierra Manual)... 50 grains of 4064, with the 200, 225 and 250 grain RN, each give 2500 fps MV, and also pretty much the same point of impact at 100 yds..... thats kinda versatile in my book....and at 300 yds, the bullets will open up on a most deer, big ones of course, but also will drop a scrawny antelope sized blacktail also....DRT with proper shot placement... that load also kicks less than you think it should.. at least out of my Model 70, which is a bored out 270.... bought that rifle brand new in Montana at a Walmart Close out, post season for $250, never fired a 270 round thru it.. took it up to Eugene and had it rebored to 338/06, by Bob West.... Bob West,. he's another story.. but that gave the rifle a little pedigree, for those that knew the name... Hank Williams Jr and Tom Selleck certainly know the name.... and so did P.O. Ackley, who trained old Bob West...
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Great info Seafire.
I have had really good performance with the 200gr Hornady on deer/antelope. Did not realize they discontinued it.
I do have some SST's on the shelf. They shoot very well, but I have not used them on game yet.
I went with the Ballistic Silvertips as MD has stated they are tough, and I liked the idea of the Lubalox coating. From a sample of two deer this past fall, I feel they are softer than I prefer. Had jacket separation on one of the bullets.
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Well, guys I was able to buy new Norma .338-06 brass from the guy my wife bought the gun from. I loaded up 210g NPT and 225g NPT and TTSX. Now I just have to wait for the temp to get above 0 a ways so I can give the rounds an honest test without shaking to much. I just used book loads for now. They are quite a bit slower than what individuals are getting with their loads.
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Well, guys I was able to buy new Norma .338-06 brass from the guy my wife bought the gun from. I loaded up 210g NPT and 225g NPT and TTSX. Now I just have to wait for the temp to get above 0 a ways so I can give the rounds an honest test without shaking to much. I just used book loads for now. They are quite a bit slower than what individuals are getting with their loads. Well, there are book loads, then there are "Fire loads"... DF
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Well, guys I was able to buy new Norma .338-06 brass from the guy my wife bought the gun from. I loaded up 210g NPT and 225g NPT and TTSX. Now I just have to wait for the temp to get above 0 a ways so I can give the rounds an honest test without shaking to much. I just used book loads for now. They are quite a bit slower than what individuals are getting with their loads. Well, there are book loads, then there are "Fire loads"... DF Ain't that the truth. What is funny is the write-up on the .338-6 in the Nolser #8 manual the guy says he is getting 2920 with 200g Noslers,Accubonds but that is way above what Nosler shows.
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Well, guys I was able to buy new Norma .338-06 brass from the guy my wife bought the gun from. I loaded up 210g NPT and 225g NPT and TTSX. Now I just have to wait for the temp to get above 0 a ways so I can give the rounds an honest test without shaking to much. I just used book loads for now. They are quite a bit slower than what individuals are getting with their loads. Well, there are book loads, then there are "Fire loads"... DF Ain't that the truth. What is funny is the write-up on the .338-06 in the Nolser #8 manual the guy says he is getting 2920 with 200g Noslers,Accubonds but that is way above what Nosler shows. Reckon that guy was a Fire contributor...? It wasn't gunner500, was it... Seafire...? You'd think Nosler would edit their stuff better than that.
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Just like other rounds, book velocity has slowly decreased. One of my old Hornady manuals lists 2900 with a 200gr. Will check it again when I get home tonight.
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Just like other rounds, book velocity has slowly decreased. One of my old Hornady manuals lists 2900 with a 200gr. Will check it again when I get home tonight. Lawyers? DF
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Just like other rounds, book velocity has slowly decreased. One of my old Hornady manuals lists 2900 with a 200gr. Will check it again when I get home tonight. My #10 Hornady Manual lists 2900 fps with 200g and 2600 with 250s depending on powder. Not having an in with Nosler I wonder if they keep it lower in adherence to the partition since it doesn't squeeze down as easy at the partition pressures maybe a bit more.
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I was mistaken, data has not changed.
Hornady Manuals 200gr SP 4th-no data 6th- 3 loads at 2900 with 23.5" barrel, 1:9 twist, IMR4895, Varget and Rel 15 7th through 10th edition all have same data.
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