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News in that three Firefighters from the US were killed when their water tanker aircraft crashed enroute to the fire front. My thoughts and sympathies to their families and many thanks to those who are still over here helping us out with our infernos.
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Wow. Prayers for their families!
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Sad deal. I hope flying it to Australia didn’t affect maintenance schedules.
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Sorry to hear that. A buddy is down there fighting fires, he used to be a smokejumper but now stays on the ground. Prayers to the aircrew and the ground crew and their families.
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Courage is Fear that has said its Prayers
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Thoughts and prayers from Iowa. There are truly great people out there who largely go unnoticed until something like this happens. My thanks to them all.
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Condolences to their families. Sadly they join a number of others who've died fighting these fires.
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There sure are a lot of America haters that want to live here...
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C-130 - N134CG, was a 40 yr old airframe, chance wings may have folded due to metal fatigue. crash site: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-23/large-air-tanker-c-130-water-bomber-crash-cooma/11894892.. I hope flying it to Australia didn’t affect maintenance schedules. The bird arrived in Aug. in prep for the season and is said to have had all the required approvals before commencing ops.
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I have a bud who retired from the air force about 4 years ago and now drives a converted c130 for firefighting out west. He's told me numerous times how dangerous it is once the aircraft takes on a load of fire retardant. Prayers for the families.
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C-130 - N134CG, was a 40 yr old airframe, chance wings may have folded due to metal fatigue. Maybe, but professionals don’t guess, they wait for the facts. RIP
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Maybe, but professionals don’t guess, they wait for the facts.
Professionals still speculate without drawing conclusions. noted C130 operators with decades of experience have done just that - citing likely causes relating to C130s and firebombing. Re: Tim Collins of Upstream Aviation, 40 years experience flying C-130s.. "There are a handful of scenarios that could have happened with the most likely being the aircraft could no longer handle the conditions.
The stress on the aircraft becomes too much and it breaks up in flight [is the most likely],"
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Maybe, but professionals don’t guess, they wait for the facts.
Professionals still speculate without drawing conclusions. noted C130 operators with decades of experience have done just that - citing likely causes relating to C130s and firebombing. You have ZERO idea what happened based on ZERO information given in the press... speculation is based on a degree of information.. the only “information” we have is it crashed. Yours isn’t speculation it’s a wild-azzed-guess.
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the only “information” we have is it crashed.
So we have firm evidence of a crash Upon which C130 operators with decades of experience have shared their speculation as to the cause. Why are you so uptight about it?
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the only “information” we have is it crashed.
So we have firm evidence of a crash Upon which C130 operators with decades of experiece have shared their speculation as to the cause. Why are so uptight about it? Your self agrandizing pontification is based in nothing and at the expense of three dead Americans.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Your self agrandizing pontification is based in nothing and at the expense of three dead Americans.
How do you get agrandizing pontification out of What is ordinary speculation as to cause of crash? Are you saying ATSB dont speculate while conducting a thorough investigation?
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How do get agrandizing pontification out of What is ordinary speculation as to cause of crash?
“Ordinary speculation”is based on a number of facts... we only have one: it crashed. The only thing left to conclude is either you’re a psychic, or FOS.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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“Ordinary speculation”is based on a number of facts... we only have one: it crashed..
Wrong.. we have more known and worth considering facts than you are aware of. Facts apon which 'ordinary speculation" can be mounted aside from a confirmed crash, are.. - airframe is 40 yr old - wings have folded on another C130 water bomber during FF ops. Airframe history and history of crashes involving C130s and especially modified WB versions, do form part of reasonable speculation. ... The only thing left to conclude is either you’re a psychic, or FOS.
One dont need to be psychic to narrow causes down and speculate from there. ie: machine failure, pilot failure, Authorities quickly speculated that fuel may have been the cause and set about checking such sources ASAP to ensure other aircraft were not at the same potential risk. .
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It serves no good purpose to pre-judge until the investigation is completed. Damn shame is what it is. RIP and I hope the families will be well compensated by the Aussies.
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