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Gotta agree with that!

Son's varsity basketball game Friday night, at least three cops, two in full paramilitary regalia. lolol Gotta protect the zebras.

like many others above, I carry just about every time I'm at church. including funerals and weddings.

heck, I was carrying at MY OWN wedding.

our church has a robust security team, both formal and informal.

I carry in church. I also evaluated my normal seat and decided that center aisle, 3 pews forward of the main entrance wasn't the best spot to sit. So I moved to an outside aisle, right in front of a large pillar. Solid cover behind me and

We also had our local police chief do a walk through of the building, he made several suggestions to make the building somewhat more secure. We also gave the cops a set of blueprints to our building, they put them into their computer system. Should a problem arise, they have some idea of the building layout.

We also had a breakfast meeting with our ushers and an officer gave a presentation on perpetrators and what to look for. We have also discussed other emergencies like a fire, a heart attack, or tornado to name a few.

We referred to it as emergency preparedness, not 'a church shooter' since the other stuff is more likely to occur.

Dale

Yes, do so. I have done so since I got my first CHL. Used to pack pocket or ankle pistols. Went to a 1911 ltwt cdr in .45ACP some time back, in an IWB holster + 2 mags.

I assume you have a concealed carry permit or live where one is not needed. If not, jump through the hoops and get you CHL. Like, soonest.




Leave the Ruger at home, bring the S&W. I am dead-set against mandatory training requirements, but training is not a bad idea. Several different sorts of training, but one cost-effective way to get some quality hands-on gun time is IDPA or USPSA. Some say it is not training, but they are wrong(1). You may get into the gamey part of it, but be sure to use what you carry every once in a while to see how easy it is to draw & fire and suchlike with the gun you actually carry. At first, you'll be like, "WTH, way too much to learn and I have all the WRONG gear!!"




Don't take this the wrong way, but that holster is one manky nylon POS. You need to replace it with something a serious man would use.

Get a real rig:
1. Real gun belt, made for purpose.
2. Quality holster (IWB or OWB).
3. Quality mag carriers, total 1 or 2 capacity.

Hard to find the right gear in a gun shop, keeping quality leather or kydex is expensive to stock. There are a LOT of good gun rig makers nowadays. Here is the one thing you need to know: high quality custom carry gear usually only costs a bit more than barely-suitable mass produced gear. But custom takes longer to get delivered. Another thing: good and bad gear is made in leather and artificial materials (nylon, kydex, etc). I prefer leather, but kydex works great for many folks, too.

You can use your upcoming IDPA shoots to learn from fellow competitors what might work and then use that (or use all the same gear but switch to an IWB holster for carry out & about).

You could buy a quality rig right now if through El Paso Saddlery. I own plenty of their gear. Other makers of quality gear out there, but El Paso Saddley can do it all and get it to you in 4-8 weeks.
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If you always wear blue jeans, even to church, may want to move to 1.75" wide Garrison Belt with lining (making it double thick) and specify 1.75" loops for holsters. Double-thickness belts use two pieces of leather, with grain orthogonal. Makes for a stiffer belt.
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A good copy of the Milt Sparks VM2 holster, the Holy Grail of IWB for heavy guns. 1.75" loops standard and will work for 1.5" wide belts, too.





Good luck.


(1) Did my time in Uncle Sam's pay, did plenty of live fire and other sorts of training. Against OPFOR, as OPFOR and all that jazz.

I hope we can get younger men to do the job. Thanks all for the serious replies.

We have a meeting Tuesday night, I'll think we will spend some time on this topic.

I'm also thinking about talking to our county Sheriff about it, not asking them to guard out church, just thoughts on the topic.

I would just pray, and he will answer them.

We are in the process of organizing a emergency response team. We will handle fires, weather, health and heaven forbid active shooters. We are learning there is a lot of things to consider. Hasbeen

Might even request a male pastor as the current one is all wrong according to the Bible.
IF you actually believe the Bible.

Tom, I was raised in a Southern Baptist church, one grandfather a pastor, the other a deacon. My wife was a Methodist, not the modern day UMC kind, but the old fashioned kind. We've attended both churches during the past 50 years, mostly the Methodist, currently the Baptist. The Methodist church had a woman pastor, and I refused to go for several years because of that very reason. I am 100% certain she was a very good Christian person, and eventually I did go back to church where she was. Having said that, she was a poor leader, and that is part of what a good pastor should be..........leader of the flock.

Baptists don't have female pastors, and the church I attend is very much male dominated. I believe that there will be as many women in Heaven as there will be men, most likely more because women are usually more religious. I also believe that while the Bible tells us that a man should be the head of his household, I believe that it was not meant for a man to relegate a woman to second tier status. I believe that should apply in church as well. I believe a woman can pray for my soul just as well as man can, and I also believe that there are many places in the church where a woman can serve just as well as any man can. Having said that, I believe that just as a man is the head of his household, provided he is fit to be, I believe a man should also lead the church family.

That does not mean that a woman cannot be a church leader, or even a pastor, it just means that in an ideal situation, men should lead. As I age, I see things a lot more clearer than I once did, and in particular, religion and my relationship with God. I have my opinions, and they're probably not always right, but I also am beginning to realize that it's not always in my best interest to pass judgment on things that I have no business sticking my nose into. That would probably include a church that has a woman as pastor.

Without Pastor Missy, I strongly doubt if either the Presbyterian. or our Methodist church would have the doors open.

So you disagree with the Word of God on this point?

I’ve heard some women that could flat out preach...! They were certainly capable of advancing the Gospel, that’s for flippin’ sure.

So the Word of God should be disregarded on this point?

TRH...........you're twisting it around, just like you do about the Holocaust. What I'm saying it is that I have enough worry with keeping myself on course to worry about what someone does.

laffin’
Nobody’s salvation depends upon whether or not they agree or disagree with the Apostle Paul on ‘this’ point. He also said that women shouldn’t wear gold or pearls or expensive clothes.

I didn't twist your words. I asked for clarification. See the question mark? Not asserting anything. Asking.

We can't have a meaningful discussion about that unless you provide citations like I and others have.

Several local churches have parishioners that are legally carrying concealed. This at the request of the local partors.

The word of God is very plain..........men should be the head of their household and the head of their church. But, does that mean that women should have no role, or not even be allowed to open their mouths in church.........and there are churches that believe that.

I know what Paul said about women in the church, but I also know that some of the first supporters of Jesus were women. Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Susanna all accompanied Jesus and helped in his early discipleship, and we know it was women who went to the tomb and discovered He had risen................so to dismiss the role women played is wrong.

My whole post was to simply say that I believe it's better for one to concentrate on taking care of themselves than worrying about what another person or another church does.