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Where have I said any of that?? Of course women have a huge role to play. But not in leadership positions over men, or positions teaching men, or speaking during the Church service. You can disagree, but you'd be disagreeing with the Word of God. Own it.

You need a ‘citation’ on *that*...?
laffin’ and smh

I will not own it..................this is not the year 200. It's the year 2020.

God has changed his mind on this point, then? Just asking.

I and others have provided Biblical citations for what we asserted.

grow up. its all BS.

Houses of worship are expressly forbidden zones in Michigan; even printed on the back of the license. [bleep] yanks give it and then take it away w/ exemptions.

I’ve heard that there are folks who carry anyway, but can’t confirm that rumor.

God hasn't changed, but we have advanced as a society. I know many women who know far more about the Bible than any man does. I do not believe they should sit meekly in church and let some idiot man, who's only qualification is that he is a man, to talk about things he doesn't know a hill of beans about.

Now, with all things being equal, and they seldom are, it is the role of man to be the leader................providing they are qualified. If a church does not have a qualified man to lead...............does that mean it should dissolve itself rather that let a qualified women lead?

Hey, if you can live with that, cool.

I can...............as long as you can live with denying the Holocaust...........lol.

Comments like this are why the campfire has gone downhill....

Dude, if you need a citation for verification that ‘Nobody’s salvation depends upon whether or not they agree or disagree with the Apostle Paul on whether or not women should be pastors’, then you are truly gaggin’ at gnats and swallowing camels...!

Were folks at that time allowed to enter temples and synagogues with their swords?(cite source)

LOL, indeed.

That’s why they’re called “church guns”

I was quite clear. I asked for a citation regarding your assertion about jewelry and such (not saying you're wrong, by the way). What's your problem with producing it? I, and others, produced a citation for the female clergy related statement.

I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, NOT WITH ELABORATE HAIRSTYLES OR GOLD OR PEARLS OR EXPENSIVE CLOTHES, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. - Apostle Paul (1 Timothy 2:9-10).
No, you didn’t specify *at all*. You weren’t “quite clear”, clearly.

<chuckle> My wife teaches the "last class" for older women. She was totally surprised to learn that more than half of her class carries.

Our church got serious after the Sutherland Springs shooting. Instituted a "security team". Members selected by invitation. KSP adapted their school active shooter program to be church active shooter. Original six members did the KSP training event. Several things we implemented:

1) All doors, except front door, locked after greetings. "Greeter" at front door is a member of the security team.
2) Second security member goes down stairs with children for children's worship, and is in the hall when the treasurers come down to count the offering.
3) Two security members seated at front of sanctuary on each side near the two side entrances.
4) Sound man (second floor rear) has over watch of the front half of the church, plus responsibility for comms, if needed.

As noted above, need to practice. Quarterly live fire practice for the team will start in the next month or so. Wireless video cameras on order to be deployed in the next few weeks as well.

Apart from the active shooter aspect, the security team has also taken a more holistic view of safety and secuirty:
> Traffic control in the parking lot, especially during VBS. Multiple positive comments from parents appreciating the traffic control, and having adults patrolling the parking area while children are outside.
> AED procured, mounted and training provided.
> Fire code inspection by fire marshal, and improvements made, such as "You are here, and here is how you get out" signage posted throughout the buildings.
> Medical jump bag procured and members with medical training identified.
> Doors for class rooms changed to swing "in" so they can be barricaded, if necessary.

The fact of the matter is the world around us is changing. As members of the Body of Christ, we need to adapt accordingly. There are multiple scripture references supporting defense of self and others. We would be remiss not to take the necessary steps to ensure the safety of our church members.

Antlers, now that you understand what should have been clear to you from context, let's see the citation. Not that it doesn't exist, but there might be something about it that distinguishes it from the female clergy question. Let's have a discussion.

Man, the only thing that was clear...is that you weren’t...!
laffin’
Ya’ mean the one that was posted 25 minutes ago...?!?