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Originally Posted by antlers
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Antlers, now that you understand what should have been clear to you from context...
Man, the only thing that was clear...is that you weren’t...!
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let’s see the citation
laffin’
Ya’ mean the one that was posted 25 minutes ago...?!?

Missed it. Post it again, please, so I don't have to search for it.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Missed it. Post it again, please, so I don't have to search for it.
”*search* for it”...? gmab


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Originally Posted by antlers
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Missed it. Post it again, please, so I don't have to search for it.
”*search* for it”...? gmab

Couldn't find one, eh? Okay.

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When Paul said women shouldn't speak in church, he was talking about something we don't have today. Most women weren't educated and couldn't read in Roman times so while someone was preaching or teaching, they were whispering to their husbands "what does he mean by that" or "what does that mean". This was disruptive. Also when Paul said women were to obey their husbands, the word obey in Greek should have been translated respect. Men need respect and women need love. This is what Paul meant hear. When talking about womens way of dressing, it was more about gaudiness and drawing attention than just dressing so as not to stand out from others. I had a preacher once who said if you are looking at someone from the rear, you should be able to tell if they are a man or woman. Simple common sense stuff, not extremes.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by antlers
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Missed it. Post it again, please, so I don't have to search for it.
”*search* for it”...? gmab
Couldn't find one, eh? Okay.
It’s there. It’s BEEN there. I’m startin’ to see why folks here laugh at ya’.


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Originally Posted by antlers
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Originally Posted by antlers
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Missed it. Post it again, please, so I don't have to search for it.
”*search* for it”...? gmab
Couldn't find one, eh? Okay.
It’s there. It’s BEEN there. I’m startin’ to see why folks here laugh at ya’.

Would it be an inconvenience for you to cut and paste it for me? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
Simple common sense stuff...
Well, it goes right over the heads of modern day Pharisees.


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Wow and I thought we were talking about being armed in church. smh

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Originally Posted by crittrgittr
Wow and I thought we were talking about being armed in church.
Yeah, totally out of the ordinary for a discussion to go off on a tangent.


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No fights, no insults?


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Been doing it for 20 years! I feel naked without at gun poking me somewhere in a side, kidney, ankle bone!


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Well wabi, I’m glad your church has a pastor.


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Originally Posted by JamesJr
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I will not own it..................this is not the year 200. It's the year 2020.
God has changed his mind on this point, then? Just asking.


God hasn't changed, but we have advanced as a society. I know many women who know far more about the Bible than any man does. I do not believe they should sit meekly in church and let some idiot man, who's only qualification is that he is a man, to talk about things he doesn't know a hill of beans about.

Now, with all things being equal, and they seldom are, it is the role of man to be the leader................providing they are qualified. If a church does not have a qualified man to lead...............does that mean it should dissolve itself rather that let a qualified women lead?


So what else did HE get wrong. What else do we have to change about His instruction since we have "advanced"? We have advanced as a society, or degenerated? Maybe we progressed, in technology and science but regressed in spirituality.

So, society changed but maybe men are still men and women are still women.

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Originally Posted by jaguartx

So what else did HE get wrong. What else do we have to change about His instruction since we have "advanced"? We have advanced as a society, or degenerated? Maybe we progressed, in technology and science but regressed in spirituality.

So, society changed but maybe men are still men and women are still women.

Well said.

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I feel it's my personal duty to be armed when I go to church, much, much too many young, old, blind and or inexperienced folk in the congregation, I don't ask or tell anyone, just do it.


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
.. we progressed, in technology and science but regressed in spirituality..


When did mankind's spirituality peak in order
for it to have regressed?


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I will say, we have some members with a zeal for religion.

Back to the armed in church, I hope none of us ever need it.


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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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I didn't twist your words. I asked for clarification. See the question mark? Not asserting anything. Asking.



The word of God is very plain..........men should be the head of their household and the head of their church. But, does that mean that women should have no role, or not even be allowed to open their mouths in church.........and there are churches that believe that.

I know what Paul said about women in the church, but I also know that some of the first supporters of Jesus were women. Mary Magdalene, Joanna, and Susanna all accompanied Jesus and helped in his early discipleship, and we know it was women who went to the tomb and discovered He had risen................so to dismiss the role women played is wrong.


Where have I said any of that?? Of course women have a huge role to play. But not in leadership positions over men, or positions teaching men, or speaking during the Church service. You can disagree, but you'd be disagreeing with the Word of God. Own it.



In many church's today, their would be no preacher if not for
women. Not over a man, but in place of one because a male
preacher is nonexistent.

Our church is part of a conference of small country churchs in
Pa, and Md. There are I believe 7 churches, with 3 preachers.
Can't hire anymore. Cumberland Md church, 20 miles away,
ran an add. Assistant youth pastor, parsonage health insurance,
$35k/yr to start. 50 applicants. None for country church's.

Women are stepping into the gap men are leaving, and picking
up the load men aren't.

Don't really like it myself, and don't want a woman preacher in my
church. My wife would hate it. She is a bigger chauvinist than me!


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
I'll start over, I won't lead off with the choir this time.

Our minister spent a fair amount of time this morning on safely issues. A car was stolen from the church parking lot last Sunday. She also gave a code word to alert all of us to danger.

I asked on my way out if I should bring my handgun with me. She quickly said yes.

Any thoughts on the subject?


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
In many church's today, their would be no preacher if not for
women. Not over a man, but in place of one because a male
preacher is nonexistent.

Our church is part of a conference of small country churchs in
Pa, and Md. There are I believe 7 churches, with 3 preachers.
Can't hire anymore. Cumberland Md church, 20 miles away,
ran an add. Assistant youth pastor, parsonage health insurance,
$35k/yr to start. 50 applicants. None for country church's.

Women are stepping into the gap men are leaving, and picking
up the load men aren't.

Don't really like it myself, and don't want a woman preacher in my
church. My wife would hate it. She is a bigger chauvinist than me!



You've hit the nail on the head. As church membership shrinks, and in particular in the small rural churches, it becomes harder to fill the pastor positions. We attended a Methodist church for a long time, which shared a preacher with another small church about 5-6 miles away. Neither church wanted to merge with the other, and the UMC conference wanted to force them to, so they would get whatever was left over........meaning pastor that nobody else wanted.

Not saying the pastors they sent were no good, as some were. It got so bad at the end, right before we left, that the only preacher willing to take both churches was a Baptist pastor, who agreed to become a Methodist. After a year, the two churches went their separate ways, and our church found a retired pastor to take over.

Most people who attend the large churches simply have no idea how difficult it is to fill the pulpit in the small churches. Money, or the lack of it, is often a big problem, and just keeping the doors open is the priority. As the older members die off, there are fewer and fewer younger people stepping in to fill the gap. Often times these churches have to find whoever is willing to be their pastor, instead of having a lot of choices available.

As you have said, in many of these churches, if not for the women, there would be no church. That's just how it is, something that apparently some on here don't understand.

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