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A lot of churches, and a lot of ‘Christians’, seem to have an uneasy relationship with grace...when it comes to extending it to others. The Pharisees had the Law, and they lived by it, to extremes. They practiced it to the detriment of others. They were graceless. And Jesus called em’ out on it.

Right; agreed, although I would say that’s a malady that infects all of humanity not just Christians.

So you do recognize that there are two ways to fall off the horse?

If there is no law and everything is ok, what’s the need for grace? Grace implies an offense that requires forgiveness does it not?

Or is grace merely libertarian minding of ones own business?

The presence of law requires that there be those who follow it as well as those who enforce it in order for it to actually be law.

Also law necessarily includes punishment, either by man or God.


So, obviously, punishment is not a bad thing.

I’d rather grace than the law but then again Jesus did away with the law with His grace.

Kinda... kinda not.

The beauty of the Gospel is that God has borne the penalty of our lawlessness upon Himself in the form of His Son.

The law keeping one does after he has received this gift is out of gratitude.

The reminding I do toward my brother is out of loving concern for his walk with our Lord. It’s God who enforces.

I consider attendance to worship necessary because I’m prone to rationalize all sorts of things and need faithful brothers & sisters to remind me when I’m off. Unlike Magnum Bob up above I have no qualms about who I’d be worshipping were I to keep company only with myself on the Lord’s Day.

Ps- I see by the reference you were getting at civil enforcement I get where you’re coming from now thanks

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Indeed he did. That's because they strained the gnat and swallowed the camel. In other words, they really didn't care about the morality underpinning the laws, but only cared about the details of it, i.e., they were legalistic, and ignored the spirit of the law. You would have us ignore both the letter and the spirit of the law.

No. You *are* placing much importance on the letter of the law. And you *are* placing little (if any) importance on the spirit of the law. You *are* gaggin’ at gnats and swallowing camels. You’re doing just what the Pharisees did.

Tyrone - My initial post to efw on this thread came from Mark 2:23 through Mark 3:6; and my commentary to TRH did as well. ‘If’ you think Jesus’ views are antinomian, then you can lump my views in with His. The Moral Law is not the Civil Law of Old Testament Israel, nor is it the Ceremonial Law of worship for the ancient Jew, but it ‘is’ the unchanging requirement of supreme love for God, and an equal love for our neighbor as ourself. I subscribe, wholeheartedly, to ‘this’ Moral Law.

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Next thing you know somebody is going to pull out a rattlesnake and go to dancing around with, and then drink some poison, all because the Bible said it was okay.

One would think that those who proclaim to know Jesus would follow his two highest commandements.

Love thy God and thy neighbor. a tall order, hence why its said few will make it through the strait gate.

The Bible also said do not tempt me.
Use wisdom.

Interested to hear your thoughts on these questions Antlers.

Saved by Grace, nothing else can save us.

If one loves God, and accepts His gift of grace through Jesus, and loves others as Jesus commanded us to, and extends grace to others as He extended it to us...there ain’t gonna be no fallin’ off the horse. Especially for not following a ‘rule’.
It depends on what you mean by ‘the law’. If you mean the Civil Law of Old Testament Israel...I don’t give a flip about that. I’m not ‘under’ that. If you mean the Ceremonial Law of worship for the ancient Jew...I don’t give a flip about that either. I’m not ‘under’ that. But if you mean the unchanging requirement of supreme love for God, and an equal love for our neighbor as ourself...then yes, I’m all in.

Antlers, an example of being a modern day Pharisee would be to object to a woman announcing to the parishioners before the service that the ladies auxiliary is meeting in room 2A after the service. That would be comparable to the Pharisees objecting to Jesus grabbing a piece of wheat and popping the seeds in his mouth while on a walk with his friends because it broke the rule against labor on the Sabbath. Jesus didn't mean by his condemnation of the Pharisees that the prohibition of physical labor on the Sabbath needn't be observed. Likewise, we are not to disregard the teaching that women shouldn't speak in the church, and that they certainly shouldn't be leaders of men in the church.

TRH

Do you go to church with a medical trauma kit strapped to your ankle like John Corriea tells you to do?

He dont go anywhere without it!...lol

I mean if you cant shoot straight in a crowd, at least you can then patch up your victims.

That guy's ready for anything.