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Are we talking calibers or cartridges??


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Originally Posted by JeffyD
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I just have a disdain for legislated concepts.

3 inch slugs, sabot slugs and rifled slug barrels all came about because of legislation and ways to circumvent it. Muzzleloaders too. All useless and not in the interest of cleanly killing anything.
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Sticking to the original post, this stuff should not exist. But they do, and they do for the exact reasons stated. But they also do a decent job given the parameters they were designed around.

BTW, I think high dollar rifled slugs ARE dying.

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Speaking of Remington flops, the Accelerator line of 50-55gr out of '06 and 308 Win.

I know where there is a 1 gallon jug of these little plastic sabots for handloading.


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Originally Posted by moosemike
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Contempt? No, that's a pretty strong word to use for someone who simply uses a different cartridge or one I have absolutely zero interest in or use for. Now, if he opens his mouth and shows arrogant ignorance then....still not contempt but they quickly become a person I have no desire to be around or whose opinion carries any credence.

There's enough cartridges we don't need that would fill a full size pick-up bed. Most of them hit the market after about 1940 and of those that came out after 1940, the really good ones were already wildcats or their counterpart had been developed in Europe or Great Britain and most prior to 1900. The real improvements have been in propellants, metallurgy and tolerances. The one thing that annoys me most, nothing contemptuous, is when any cartridge reaches new heights of popularity when it does absolutely nothing that wasn't already being done, sometimes well over a century ago. It's good for those who shoot factory ammo and the ignorant, uninformed and those who need an easy button, I guess, but it isn't fact.



No the really good ones were not pre 1900. The 30-06 and 375 H&H came later.


The -06 is the offspring of the 30-03 which is the offspring of the 8 X 57, 1888, so it wasn't a new development, merely a modification of an existing cartridge, much like its home, the 1903 Springfield which was essentially an outright copy of the 98 Mauser. So much so Mauser took Springfield to court for patent violation and won, twice.. The -06 is one of those cartridges that, while good, I have zero interest in or use for. Ballistically it does nothing about 500 other cartridges do. I owned two, a Winchester Garand and a Remington 03-A3. Both went down the road decades ago....much to my financial chagrin but with no remorse for the cartridge not being in my stable. I have to agree with the 375 of 1912. If a fella looks at closely and with an open mind, the vast majority of both popular and successful cartridges can trace their roots to one of those two cartridges, the 8 X 57 or the 375 H&H.

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Hold on. Let me don my Nomex suit and Kevlar and climb into my bunker in an undisclosed location......

Okay, .257 Roberts, .250/3000, .280 AI, .275 Rigby AND 7x57, .358 Win., .223 AI, .338 Fed., .260, 6.5x55, .22 Hornet, .300 H&H, .35 Whelan (deliberately misspelled to add to the outrage), .30/30, all the Kreedmires, and finally the .30 Sneezer, just for Dan.



Obviously, my subtle humor has plumb evaded at least a couple of the other kids. I tried to pick as many of the rounds that have small, but very enthusiastic (rabid?) followings as I could bring to mind, and threw in a couple extra to target specific campers...


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Originally Posted by Gooch_McGrundle
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The only thing a fishing lure has to do is catch a fisherman. It's the same deal on most cf cartridges just got to catch the shooters interest held right, placed right ,in an adequate range of suitability for the job at hand they all work. I don't like these type of arguments over what's best , sheeit might as well rule out a woman for her hair color and all she has to be really is willing for what you want. Same as beer, cold , wet, free that's all that's important . Winter getting long for some of you? MB


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Originally Posted by JamesJr
I don't really care what another person spends their money on...............it's their money and their right to do so. Having said that, I could get by perfectly well with a 22 rifle, a 12 gauge shotgun, a 243 for deer and coyote hunting, and a 9mm Glock.............and an AR, for the SHTF scenario. But, I wouldn't want to, as I like to have a selection to choose from, and I like having different cartridges to shoot and reload for.

Yet, to be honest, there are a lot of cartridges that don't make sense. But, killing them off is a job I wouldn't want, as I wouldn't have a clue where to start. While I think it's overkill, not to mention downright silly for someone to use a 300 magnum rifle to whitetail hunt with, it may very well be that's it the only rifle that person owns. If that's the case, then it not only makes sense, but you have to admire someone who doesn't need a safe full of rifles. Every single one of us could get by on a lot less than we think we could.......and that covers everything we do, including the number of hunting rifles we own.



I've personally known a lot of guys who use a .300 mag for whitetail. I never thought of them as "silly". I've carried far more potent stuff than that for deer including the .375 H&H.

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I don't believe I have it in for a cartridge.

I don't find using a 300 mag or whatever for deer silly in and of itself. What I may find silly is someone's reason for doing so.

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Originally Posted by mathman


I don't find using a 300 mag or whatever for deer silly in and of itself. What I may find silly is someone's reason for doing so.


I understand what you’re saying but...how about this.

I used my 300 mags deer hunting TO get more familiar with the rifle itself & its recoil while hunting AS I intended to use it for Elk Hunting. Someone else might use one in preparation for
hunting something like Moose.

I know you don’t need a 300 to kill deer but I wanted to be accustomed to the rifle for hunting
something else.

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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by mathman


I don't find using a 300 mag or whatever for deer silly in and of itself. What I may find silly is someone's reason for doing so.


I understand what you’re saying but...how about this.

I used my 300 mags deer hunting TO get more familiar with the rifle itself & its recoil while hunting AS I intended to use it for Elk Hunting. Someone else might use one in preparation for
hunting something like Moose.

I know you don’t need a 300 to kill deer but I wanted to be accustomed to the rifle for hunting
something else.

Jerry



Heck yeah, I’m as likely to use a 300 magnum for hunting as a 223 or a 7 Mashburn. They are all set up to hunt. I’ve even used my 375 Improved a bit. It works fine for deer as well... use whatever you feel like if it’s safe and lethal.


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Originally Posted by moosemike
Originally Posted by JamesJr
I don't really care what another person spends their money on...............it's their money and their right to do so. Having said that, I could get by perfectly well with a 22 rifle, a 12 gauge shotgun, a 243 for deer and coyote hunting, and a 9mm Glock.............and an AR, for the SHTF scenario. But, I wouldn't want to, as I like to have a selection to choose from, and I like having different cartridges to shoot and reload for.

Yet, to be honest, there are a lot of cartridges that don't make sense. But, killing them off is a job I wouldn't want, as I wouldn't have a clue where to start. While I think it's overkill, not to mention downright silly for someone to use a 300 magnum rifle to whitetail hunt with, it may very well be that's it the only rifle that person owns. If that's the case, then it not only makes sense, but you have to admire someone who doesn't need a safe full of rifles. Every single one of us could get by on a lot less than we think we could.......and that covers everything we do, including the number of hunting rifles we own.



I've personally known a lot of guys who use a .300 mag for whitetail. I never thought of them as "silly". I've carried far more potent stuff than that for deer including the .375 H&H.


That's right, just like practicing for smaller African antelope, it came in handy too, I shot an Impala ram dead in the chest at just over 200 yards with a 400 Whelen chunking 400gr round nosed Wodleigh Weldcores at a leisurely 2255 fps, hit a Springbok and Duiker with that rifle too, I may have missed every damn one of them had I not practiced on deer and pigs and knew exactly where my bullets were going to land, we OWE that to the animals we hunt.


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Originally Posted by jwall
Originally Posted by mathman


I don't find using a 300 mag or whatever for deer silly in and of itself. What I may find silly is someone's reason for doing so.


I understand what you’re saying but...how about this.

I used my 300 mags deer hunting TO get more familiar with the rifle itself & its recoil while hunting AS I intended to use it for Elk Hunting. Someone else might use one in preparation for
hunting something like Moose.

I know you don’t need a 300 to kill deer but I wanted to be accustomed to the rifle for hunting
something else.

Jerry


I wouldn't find your use of a 300 mag on deer simply "because you felt like it" silly. Using what you like is perfectly legit. Often I use my 700 Classic in 250 Savage because I feel good with it in my hands. No technical reason or logic necessary.

I was thinking about some things I hear at my camp, like "Use a 300 mag since he might be waaay out there at 250 yards." That is silly IMO.

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Originally Posted by jwall
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Not calibers, but guys who recommend magnums for elk to newbs.
They need to die

I think that’s a little EXTREME !

Jerry

Just like talking a newb into a Magnum. Little EXTREME !


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Guys who think a creedmore is an elk rifle, and a ,243 a long range deer rifle..


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Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter
Guys who think a creedmore is an elk rifle, and a ,243 a long range deer rifle..


So a 140 grain Partition started at 2700 fps wouldn't be elk suitable?

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Originally Posted by beretzs
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Originally Posted by mathman


I don't find using a 300 mag or whatever for deer silly in and of itself. What I may find silly is someone's reason for doing so.


I understand what you’re saying but...how about this.

I used my 300 mags deer hunting TO get more familiar with the rifle itself & its recoil while hunting AS I intended to use it for Elk Hunting. Someone else might use one in preparation for
hunting something like Moose.

I know you don’t need a 300 to kill deer but I wanted to be accustomed to the rifle for hunting
something else.

Jerry



Heck yeah, I’m as likely to use a 300 magnum for hunting as a 223 or a 7 Mashburn. They are all set up to hunt. I’ve even used my 375 Improved a bit. It works fine for deer as well... use whatever you feel like if it’s safe and lethal.

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Originally Posted by AU7MM08
Huge magnums in the South.
No, Cletus, you don't need a 300Rum to kill a 100lbs doe at 105yards.

No but I did love it when I killed a 160 class 8 point at 719 yards. He weighed 274 pounds on the scales.


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Everybody is talking deer, moose, elk, hogs......what about the varmint guys?!?
.17 (times however many there are), .22 hornet, .218 bee, .221 fireball, .222 rem, .204, .223, 22-250,.220 swift, plus some I've forgotten, and THEN add the wildcats.
All to shoot woodchucks, yote dogs, oversized felines, and prairie dogs.
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I remember Peter Capstick in one of my books made a strong case for using the .375 H&H for everything one hunts in Africa no matter how small. In light of that a .300 mag for whitetail doesn't seem so radical.

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I'll add that my brother dropped my X-Bolt while hunting last season and b#tched up the walnut stock and it's still managed to stay my favorite.

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