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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by Pharmseller

Wow, you really don’t get it. Why are you trying so hard to poke holes in my belief? And don’t say you’re not, its obvious.
What do you hope to gain by refuting my position? I’m not trying to change your mind but you’re working awfully hard to
find inconsistencies in my belief. Are you that unhappy or scared that when you see contented belief you need to besmirch it?
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Why do you perceive rational responses through debate/discussion as being driven by "fear and unhappiness"..?

its actually you who clings to your brand of faith out of 'fear' isnt it? ..and you pray specifically for 'unhappy' things to improve?

and I aint " working hard" to find inconsistencies in your belief , cause they are bleating obvious.

RE: besmirch.....LOL

-so you feel your reputation (as a christian).. has been damaged?



Besmirch: make something dirty or discolored.

Interacting with you isn’t fun anymore. It makes me sad. So I’ll let you have the last word.




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Originally Posted by Ringman
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I pray that things change, of course, but I ask for His peace if they don’t.

The whole “Not my will but Thine,” thing.

Throw another one at me, this is fun.


Praying for things to change according to your own preferences is not praying for Gods will.

What does God lack that such prayers would alter/influence his divine will?


Maybe God allows bad things to happen so that he can feel useful when prayed to?

Yet hardly ever answering prayers so as to give the impression that he doesn't actually exist...thereby playing the game of hide and seek based on faith?

Then getting very upset when someone is not convinced of his existence?

It's all very strange.



Read the book "The Case for miracles".


I know the claims and the arguments. They are not convincing....a spontaneous remission in every five million terminal cancer cases is a natural anomaly not divine intervention or a miracle.

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Originally Posted by DBT
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If there is a Creator, why would it care what you believe?
He cares, you just got to believe it.


That's you saying it, not a Creator of the universe saying it. If justified belief was important to a Creator of the Universe, there would be no problem providing evidence...rather than just a bunch of people saying what they believe while contradicting another bunch of people who believe something else.
That is the beauty of his Creation, he gave us that freedom to accept him and believe him, he gave you this same freedom to not accept him and leave this place believing that...not to complicated is it.


Normal due diligence requires evidence to justify a conviction....not just accepting what someone tells you or what is claimed to be true in ancient scrolls....that cannot be verified but must be taken on faith.

We don't operate like that in the real world.
My Bible is all the evidence, and I surely believe it to justify my convictions, not believing what everyone tells me. Must be taken on faith...that is the beauty of it...again.


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Evolution creates some cool critters for certain.



I agree completely. Good thing God got the ball rolling.



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But which god?

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Originally Posted by DBT
If there is a Creator, why would it care what you believe?



I'm sure you wouldnt give a dayom WTH your kids thought of you, which is probably a good thing.


Ecc 10:2
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A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by RockyRaab
So he's the one behind Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin and the 30+ million murders they arranged,?

(I know what's coming next, the old "works in mysterious ways" wheeze.)


Uh, you forgot that there is evil and many on earth elect to submit to it, satan, as Eve did in the Garden of Eden.


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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Dayom!

Amen!

PTL!

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Sheesh, all I meant to do posting this video was to show something nice. Then the unbelievers have to jump in and tell me I'm wrong like some did when I told people like them about the UFOs my bud and I saw.

They told us we were wrong until the next day the front page story on the Corpus Christy Caller was the stories of airline pilots flying in and out of Corpus that early Saturday AM were reporting on seeing those same UFOs.

Strangely, if you ever see one, you will suddenly believe in them. Seeing them gives a pretty good clue they exist, just like Christian's get a pretty good clue when they see the awesomeness of Gods handiwork.

Like HE said, if you cant see it, it's because you have scales on your eyes. Just because you havent seen UFOs doesnt mean they dont exist.

Some are of the mind they go around focused on the bad and miserable. As a result, that's all they will see.

How self centered and conceited does one have to be to say, hey, you're wrong, because I cant see it.


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The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by DBT

Normal due diligence requires evidence to justify a conviction....not just accepting what someone tells you or what is claimed to be true in ancient scrolls....


Finding a 'Harry Potter' listed in the phone book
is all some need to believe in the existence of
a wizard.


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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
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Rocky I respect your views but do not understand the point of discussing God if you do not believe that there is a God .

Yep,, sorta disinginuous....

God made Satan Think about that. Gave him free will and look what he did. He made us and gave us free will.

God created two trees in the Garden, one the Tree of Life, the other, the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The root of the first is Life, the second, death. Everything eminates from one or the other.

So, there you have it. Given that choice, choose Life that you and yours may live.

DF


Or, choose death and look at everything through your asswhole, so you have a schietty view of things.


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I still kinda think the christians are mis-guided. Look at the ancient egyptians and what magnificent legacies they left behind that still exist to this day, and they had a whole family of gods. Sets a good example of what a good set of deities should be.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by DBT
Plants and animals are not created, they evolve and grow. Only microbes existed on the planet for 3 billion years.

So how long since the advent of a new species and how long until the advent of another?


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Originally Posted by DBT
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Originally Posted by DBT
If there is a Creator, why would it care what you believe?


The Creator in the Bible tells us He loves us. Those in our relm care when they love. He says He made us in His image so we can conclude He cares.

But don't forget He hates the wicked. He is The One Who cursed His creation. He claims when a calamity occurs He did it.

The God of the Bible is not the god we hear about in most classes and churches.


The bible also says a whole lot of other things....things that are not compatible with love - coming from God. Which is why the Gnostics believed what they did about the God of the bible.


Maybe GOD is not just love, but also just.

So if you bust your kids butt for playing in the street, does that mean you dont love it? Sheesh. So, you cant conceive of love and being just, and you have the audacity to try and educate us? Unreal. Duh? Too great a mental leap? Evidently.

Now tell us, There is no God (as far as you can deduce). whistle

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Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
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God created two trees in the Garden, one the Tree of Life, the other, the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The root of the first is Life, the second, death.
DF

Or, choose death and look at everything through your asswhole, so you have a schietty view of things.


Christians often pray to change things cause they are not content, largely due to the schietty negative view they have
of particular events in Gods unfolding plan.


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Originally Posted by jaguartx
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Plants and animals are not created, they evolve and grow. Only microbes existed on the planet for 3 billion years.

So how long since the advent of a new species and how long until the advent of another?


Virus' "mutate" all the time. More complex organisms take longer - the timespan is incomprehensible because we don't live that long individually but there's plenty of proof that it happens.


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
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Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by DBT
If there is a Creator, why would it care what you believe?


The Creator in the Bible tells us He loves us. Those in our relm care when they love. He says He made us in His image so we can conclude He cares.

But don't forget He hates the wicked. He is The One Who cursed His creation. He claims when a calamity occurs He did it.

The God of the Bible is not the god we hear about in most classes and churches.


The bible also says a whole lot of other things....things that are not compatible with love - coming from God. Which is why the Gnostics believed what they did about the God of the bible.


Maybe GOD is not just love, but also just.

So if you bust your kids butt for playing in the street, does that mean you dont love it? Sheesh.


It's not just to act contrary to the rules of justice, the very same standards and rules that you are said to value. We are told that God is love, yet the very same source describes God acting vindictively and unjustly, and there lies the contradiction.

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Viruses are not species of animals that procreate from males and females.


Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Viruses are not species of animals that procreate from males and females.




You didn't make this specification in the first place. Why do you want to narrow down your arguement in this manner?

Besides, the evidence is there.

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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

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Originally Posted by jaguartx
Viruses are not species of animals that procreate from males and females.



Neither are dandelions. What's your point?

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They are a species with Male and female parts, like you, la Roye. Now GFY.

BTW, you arent awesome either.

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Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.

A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.

"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".

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