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I don't see the unbelievers starting up these threads.
I have largely stayed out of them in the past but do you all really need to pass out your Watchtower magazines every week?

Bristecd,

I see no good evidence for the existence of your hell.

Take a look at the arguments made tonight. They fall into three categories,

Faith: the excuse one used when they have no evidence, or in the face of evidence to the contrary.

Threats: The immoral proposition that your god sends everyone to hell for his failure to provide sufficient evidence,

Bible verses: Which are totally irrelevant until there's sufficient evidence to believe in your mythos.

My minds open to being changed when provided with sufficient evidence, your side just doesn't have any good evidence, let alone anything approaching extraordinary evidence to support your extraordinary claims.

Tom,

There are plenty of areas where you can do some good. Focus on those.

You are the one who admitted you have no good evidence to present, just Faith.

No its far more than that, even if you are of
The 'wrong' denomination of rival christian
you won't receive the same grace of God.

And thinking that sand is pearls is a waste of intellect.

For some believers the club is even smaller, with only 144,000 Jew's being admitted to heaven, all who are virgins and never told a single lie. And this appears in the New Testament.

Revelation 7:3–8:
... saying: "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the servants of God on their foreheads."
And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
12,000 from the tribe of Judah were sealed,
12,000 from the tribe of Reuben,
12,000 from the tribe of Gad,
12,000 from the tribe of Asher,
12,000 from the tribe of Naphtali,
12,000 from the tribe of Manasseh,
12,000 from the tribe of Simeon,
12,000 from the tribe of Levi,
12,000 from the tribe of Issachar,
12,000 from the tribe of Zebulun,
12,000 from the tribe of Joseph,
12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin were sealed.[1]

Revelation 14:1:
Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.[2]

Revelation 14:3–5:
And they were singing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth. For it is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are blameless.[3]

That makes for a very small heaven, and a very crowded Hell.

“Fuck ‘em”
-God

I don't think my wife would like knowing she has defiled me.....................nor any of the other womens I lay with.

Geno

You and I both knew it was coming.
Its the std. last ditch pitch served up
around here.

Tom prob didn't know how immune
I am to such, Having grown up around
Irish and Mediterranean Roman Catholics,
attending Catholic schools, etc.



Everyone falls short of God, thus I can't see what
Any man can do to impress God/make him proud
... It sounds absurd.

AS,

Please know that it is not a Christian duty or responsibility to convince you about the reality of God and the reality of Jesus and the gift. Folks such as I can point the way ..... explain little or much depending upon the “ears” that hear us....hold you up in prayer before the Father... so on and so forth ...But, it is the Holy Spirit of God .... not me or others.....that shows the clear and weighty truth to the honest seeker of God.

God will not hold me responsible for your eternal destiny. That is between you and God.

Those that have ears to hear, will indeed hear. Those that “stick their own fingers in their ears” ..... for whatever reason they do.... those are the ones that will not hear and not believe and who have not yet received the gift.

Also....There has been much talk about evidence or “proof.” There is proof. As, I have previously related, God spoke to me..... God proved Himself to me. I related that experience on this Forum.

I have proof and you don’t. Our differences may be as simple as that. Seek the proof.... it is there.


Btw....regarding “threat” ....... when one recognizes an “indication of impending.....whatever.....trouble, risk or danger....”...... a responsible caring person might warn the one who is at risk. With that thought in mind, yes, I fear for you and am trying to warn you. Others have as well. Kinda like warning someone of a runaway horse headed their way.....”Watch Out!”

Not to say that preaching hellfire is of no value, but it seems to me that simply threatening some one with hellfire will do little good. Sometimes yes, but why would they be afraid of hellfire from a God they place no stock in? Seems that something specific from the Holy Spirit has to have been communicated first. Anyway, that is a digression.

This is your life and a hand has been dealt to you..... play it wisely.

ATB,

TF

No need - it's already hanging out fully exposed all to see. And, who is laughing?

Proof is a body of information that anyone can access and evaluate and draw a similar conclusion. Personal experience is subjective.

Also, it's not a matter of who 'wins' but what is true.

It is available to anyone that sincerely seeks to know. The problem is most don't.

Logic and reason are some of the processes developed by humans - apparently in the quest to gain understanding of whatever intellectual, moral, etc. itches beset them from time to time. These can be very significant processes and quite important to certain types of humans involved with inquisition - possibly some of the best exercises of human talent and capability. Yet - human and limited by human nature - not capable of explaining/validating/justifying everything in life, and certainly not the Creator. Not by works alone, - - -

A chemical reaction IS information.

Yes, among other important qualities - ruthless - you got it. Whose reason? Human reason, or the reason of the Almighty?

Your subjective experience is not accessible to anyone else.

Reason is determined by information. If the 'Almighty' is said to have given a set of values, and is said to embody this set of values, yet is described acting contrary to the very same set of values....we have a problem, we are presented with a contradiction.