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The atheists are drawn to a Godly discussion.
Perhaps you should take a moment to actually read the threat title? He's a christian, which means he only needs to read the instructions when all else fails.
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I believe in God and pray every day but have a hard time believing parts of the bible like Noah's ark. FWIW, Emmet Fox's book "Sermon on the Mount" did more to help me believe that Christianity might be real than anything else so far.
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Drum roll please...... "I don't know, to be clear." and THAT is one promise he's kept!!!
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This thread is a magnet for those wishing to
spread the Gospel.
Notice the usual Jesus club God botherers
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I’ve watched Lonesome Dove 11 times and I wear a turquoise jeweled bolo tie.
I don’t need religion.
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A family member on my wife's side had treatable cancer. She was a beautiful young mother of four school aged children. The members of her religious community told her that if she received modern medical treatment, then God would not heal her due to her lack of faith. Her husband finally convinced her to seek treatment, but not until the cancer had masticated and it was way too late.
She died, leaving her 4 young children without a mother and her husband to care for them alone.
Her beliefs caused real damage to real people and cost her the only life which we know for sure she had to live.
Believing untrue things can, and often does, cause real harm to people in this world.
AS, Thanks for sharing that. We have a large community of "The Brethren" here in the Treasure Valley. They are the finest people one could know, or do business with. Very honest and industrious. They have enough kids to please Bristoe, and Jag. They could go a long way to perpetuate the white race. And the youth grow into fine Americans. But there is a huge controversy surrounding the group and their religious freedom in the State of Idaho. The congregation believes it is a sin to contravene God's Will. If God wants you to die, you better die, if you want to get into Heaven. Thus, their cemeteries are full of infants and preadolescent children. A young man I went to school with died at eighteen years from appendicitis. Another young man died at thirty years, leaving a young wife and two babies behind.....a twisted gut leading to peritonitis. Both conditions easily cured with early 20'th century medicine. Some will proclaim, "Oh, but those are not real Christians." Who is to know. Grin, I think spell check got the better of you in this post.
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I’ve watched Lonesome Dove 11 times and I wear a turquoise jeweled bolo tie.
I don’t need religion. Those bolos and others w/ scorpions in acrylic were popular w/ the bomb builders from Los Alamos. totally off subject but this thread deserves some distraction and Big Jim is falling down on the job. mike r
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. Oh no. I am not saying you are not citing valid points Perhaps even undeniable truths.... I am just not certain it is an answer. Not a "why" if you will .. But I wasn't going to put additional untyped words into your response. I might suggest that that just because you don't necessarily agree with the promulgators of the story, doesn't mean that you cannot derive any enjoyment nor value from the story. Just my take..
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. Oh no. I am not saying you are not citing valid points Perhaps even undeniable truths.... I am just not certain it is an answer. Not a "why" if you will .. But I wasn't going to put additional untyped words into your response. I might suggest that that just because you don't necessarily agree with the promulgators of the story, doesn't mean that you cannot derive any enjoyment nor value from the story. Just my take.. The OP question was - why are you not a Christian - and I gave an outline of the reasons why the bible and its claims are problematic. If you don't agree with what I said, you should address the outlined reasons instead of dismissing it with a flippant comment.
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. Oh no. I am not saying you are not citing valid points Perhaps even undeniable truths.... I am just not certain it is an answer. Not a "why" if you will .. But I wasn't going to put additional untyped words into your response. I might suggest that that just because you don't necessarily agree with the promulgators of the story, doesn't mean that you cannot derive any enjoyment nor value from the story. Just my take.. The OP question was - why are you not a Christian - and I gave an outline of the reasons why the bible and its claims are problematic. If you don't agree with what I said, you should address the outlined reasons instead of dismissing it with a flippant comment. If you’ve not read Mark Taylor’s “The History of The Bible “, pick up a copy. You’d probably enjoy it.
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. Oh no. I am not saying you are not citing valid points Perhaps even undeniable truths.... I am just not certain it is an answer. Not a "why" if you will .. But I wasn't going to put additional untyped words into your response. I might suggest that that just because you don't necessarily agree with the promulgators of the story, doesn't mean that you cannot derive any enjoyment nor value from the story. Just my take.. The OP question was - why are you not a Christian - and I gave an outline of the reasons why the bible and its claims are problematic. If you don't agree with what I said, you should address the outlined reasons instead of dismissing it with a flippant comment. If you’ve not read Mark Taylor’s “The History of The Bible “, pick up a copy. You’d probably enjoy it. Is there something in this book that makes it stand out from numerous other books and articles on the history of the bible?
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Oh no I'm afraid it's not that simple! I've seen lots of people call themselves Christian's and yet according to biblical standards that simply can't be true. Also, I've seen plenty of arguments,here and elsewhere, between people claiming to be Christian while others who claim likewise tell them their beliefs are wrong, so maybe they aren't? It would be most helpful if we could just really nail it down first, then we can set about eliminating those who don't make the cut!
I completely see where you’re coming from here. One doesn’t have to study Church history for long before this lack of clarity becomes clear. I have an understanding that is extremely under represented in American Christianity and am quite dogmatic about it, but I have studied other perspectives out of a desire to understand them from within (not just to prove them wrong from without) and cqn say that even as dogmatic as I am about my own perspective there is a lot of truth in many of them and they likely all could tell me and my tradition something that we could legitimately work on. That having been said, I don’t believe that they “aren’t Christians” tho I would say there are some faith traditions tha prove my Calvinistic (that is, that God reaches His people in spite of our best efforts) inclinations by the presence of Christians in spite of not because of the tradition itself. Sorry for being long winded but I think that’s a great question that only gets more complicated as time passes so likely not one you’ll get a significant consensus on. Long winded? Man carry on,this is the stuff that is interesting! Especially when someone who has really studied and is actually open to the idea that they may not yet know it all decides to chime in. I haven't studied nearly as much as I wish I had, but I've been listening to as much material on biblical history as I can over the last year. Its fascinating to me, but I know I still don't know much more than surface level stuff. So by all means, take all the wind you need...there's always plentys of short,sharp barbed posts in these discussions, so it'll be a nice break!
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The atheists are drawn to a Godly discussion, like a moth to a flame, just to spout their stupidity. They have no desire to contribute anything. They just want to be disruptive. The above function is devine for ignoring the ignorant. I shake the dust from my sandals at both of these individuals.
God Bless you Brother Keith.
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Prime example right here.
This is a thread on why someone is not a christian yet it draws christians like a moth to a flame. I am not going to resort to name calling like the good christians do. I have seen the hatred among christians for a very long time. It is right here on the CF. Some christians would say that you all are not real christians by what you post here. Pretty plain to see that it is indeed man that has created god in his image. We can see it here plain as day.
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. Oh no. I am not saying you are not citing valid points Perhaps even undeniable truths.... I am just not certain it is an answer. Not a "why" if you will .. But I wasn't going to put additional untyped words into your response. I might suggest that that just because you don't necessarily agree with the promulgators of the story, doesn't mean that you cannot derive any enjoyment nor value from the story. Just my take.. The OP question was - why are you not a Christian - and I gave an outline of the reasons why the bible and its claims are problematic. If you don't agree with what I said, you should address the outlined reasons instead of dismissing it with a flippant comment. Ah but religion is such a personal thing. And I am not here to convince you that you need to conform to my personal belief system (whatever that may be). You didn't say "I don't believe because..." So you could just be baiting....(a flippant comment as you say) My point is that the source done not necessarily mean that there is no value... Your tag shows Queensland, AUS. By parallel logic the source of much of Australia's population does not mean it's present population has the same perceived value as the settlers..... Christianity (or any religious framework) what you make of it. Like life. Terrorists have made Islam into a reason to kill for the unthinking and uneducated, twisted it into evil if you will. Do you truly believe that despite some of its early users, that Christianity cannot be "twisted" to create something positive? I hope that your experience in life has not been so terrible that you cannot derive some positive out of hardship...
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. Oh no. I am not saying you are not citing valid points Perhaps even undeniable truths.... I am just not certain it is an answer. Not a "why" if you will .. But I wasn't going to put additional untyped words into your response. I might suggest that that just because you don't necessarily agree with the promulgators of the story, doesn't mean that you cannot derive any enjoyment nor value from the story. Just my take.. The OP question was - why are you not a Christian - and I gave an outline of the reasons why the bible and its claims are problematic. If you don't agree with what I said, you should address the outlined reasons instead of dismissing it with a flippant comment. If you’ve not read Mark Taylor’s “The History of The Bible “, pick up a copy. You’d probably enjoy it. Is there something in this book that makes it stand out from numerous other books and articles on the history of the bible? If your mind is closed on the matter just go with what you’ve already got. It’s apparent that you’ve read them all in your search for “truth “ and need no further enlightenment.
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I don’t have anything against Christianity or religion, but I have a hard time ignoring the human aspect of the Bible’s creation, or any religious writing for that matter. I believe in God. I believe in right and wrong. I feel God and see God around me every day. It’s easy to lose the forest through the trees, ie, not see God when you are focused on life. But if you stop life for a moment to look for God, he is all around. Just my take on it, but I’m one in 7+ billion.
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I believe there were dinosaurs on the earth a few thousand years ago. I also believe there were 10 foot tall Philistines that didn't play for the Toronto Raptors. Ya gotta try harder. Before the Genesis flood men lived to just about 1,000 years old, and lizards keep growing until they die. Find me a whole dinosaur skeleton, and I'll show you a big dead lizard. So I'm guessing you are a Young Earth Creationist?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Because of 1000 threads like this per week!
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. Oh no. I am not saying you are not citing valid points Perhaps even undeniable truths.... I am just not certain it is an answer. Not a "why" if you will .. But I wasn't going to put additional untyped words into your response. I might suggest that that just because you don't necessarily agree with the promulgators of the story, doesn't mean that you cannot derive any enjoyment nor value from the story. Just my take.. The OP question was - why are you not a Christian - and I gave an outline of the reasons why the bible and its claims are problematic. If you don't agree with what I said, you should address the outlined reasons instead of dismissing it with a flippant comment. If you’ve not read Mark Taylor’s “The History of The Bible “, pick up a copy. You’d probably enjoy it. Is there something in this book that makes it stand out from numerous other books and articles on the history of the bible? If your mind is closed on the matter just go with what you’ve already got. It’s apparent that you’ve read them all in your search for “truth “ and need no further enlightenment. It was a simple question. Nothing to do with me, what I believe or the state of my mind. If you can't answer the question without focusing on me, don't bother.
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