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Certainly a younger earth than the millions and billions that evolutionists believe in. Yes I believe in the Genesis account of creation.
But the thread is to find out why some are not a Christian, not why I am, or what I believe.
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Prov 4:23)
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I pissed off a friend and elk hunting partner yesterday.
He stated that every word of the Bible was true because God can not lie.
I responded that men with pen and paper can and definitely will lie.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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I pissed off a friend and 3lk hunting partner yesterday.
He stated that every word of the Bible was true because God can not lie.
I responded that men with pen and paper can and definitely will lie. And those POS levites and their 10% horseshlt line on YOUR money! 
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I pissed off a friend and 3lk hunting partner yesterday.
He stated that every word of the Bible was true because God can not lie.
I responded that men with pen and paper can and definitely will lie. You debate religion with your friends? Or maybe he was too eager to spread the good word?
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Well, I am! But I am an equal opportunity poster.
Have at it gents,
Hell ain't half full yet. First we better start off with an agreed upon definition of a Christian, then we can hash out who is and who isn't. The question is not who is a christian, but Why Aren't You one. Decide for yourself if you are or not, and then tell us why. Oh no I'm afraid it's not that simple! I've seen lots of people call themselves Christian's and yet according to biblical standards that simply can't be true. Also, I've seen plenty of arguments,here and elsewhere, between people claiming to be Christian while others who claim likewise tell them their beliefs are wrong, so maybe they aren't? It would be most helpful if we could just really nail it down first, then we can set about eliminating those who don't make the cut! Great comment and great question..... what is the “biblical standard” for being a Christian? Now, I can easily surmise the opinion.....the opinion.... what a non-Christian would say..... we have seen countless examples of that..... But what is the “biblical standard” is a very interesting question..... What say you?
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The tax collector said: “Lord Jesus, have mercy on me, a sinner.” Jesus said he went home “justified.”
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, . Christians cannot tell you who wrote the disparate tale Gospels, but they 'know' they are true. The birth, life and times of a Jesus character are so important to them , but they dont know which actual year he was born, or his birthday. A 'king' was born, but nobody bothered to record the date of such a monumentous occasion? All those yrs from a young teen to 30 yr old are not covered...totally irrelevant it seems. His flesh/blood body dissappeared in the sky (wacky enough), but then nobody seems to know where it ended up. We know all of that. All you have to know is that Hell will be horribly hot and eternity is not one day short of forever.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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Simply believing that something is true doesn't make it true. People believe a lot of things. Each believer convinced that they are right and the others are wrong. Same argument back at you. A lot of unbelievers believe something is not true, but that doesn't make them right either. Come on! Convince me you bunch God haters. IT. CAN"T. BE. DONE! But it's "interesting" watching them try. Bless their little hearts forever.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? When the answer is foolish lies.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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I’ve watched Lonesome Dove 11 times and I wear a turquoise jeweled bolo tie.
I don’t need religion. No one needs religion. We all need a relationship with the Creator.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. No, he just doesn't believe you either.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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The shootist: YOU (the shootist!) do NOT get to decide who and what constitutes a "Christian" - nor do you have any right what so ever to question anyones chosen religion or religious intensity/dedication.
I say you are an arrogant asswhole for even posing such a stupid question!
Sheesh.
I'll choose my "path" with absofuckinglutely NO input or criticism from you - if you don't mind!
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I pissed off a friend and 3lk hunting partner yesterday.
He stated that every word of the Bible was true because God can not lie.
I responded that men with pen and paper can and definitely will lie. You debate religion with your friends? Or maybe he was too eager to spread the good word? No, I do not debate. But sometimes I lay out a simple statement for one to think about. And like many self identified Christians, this man can give me no lessons in morality.
People who choose to brew up their own storms bitch loudest about the rain.
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I see.
Me and my friends ponder other types of things.
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Well, I am! But I am an equal opportunity poster.
Have at it gents,
Hell ain't half full yet. First we better start off with an agreed upon definition of a Christian, then we can hash out who is and who isn't. The question is not who is a christian, but Why Aren't You one. Decide for yourself if you are or not, and then tell us why. Oh no I'm afraid it's not that simple! I've seen lots of people call themselves Christian's and yet according to biblical standards that simply can't be true. Also, I've seen plenty of arguments,here and elsewhere, between people claiming to be Christian while others who claim likewise tell them their beliefs are wrong, so maybe they aren't? It would be most helpful if we could just really nail it down first, then we can set about eliminating those who don't make the cut! Great comment and great question..... what is the “biblical standard” for being a Christian? Now, I can easily surmise the opinion.....the opinion.... what a non-Christian would say..... we have seen countless examples of that..... But what is the “biblical standard” is a very interesting question..... What say you? I've thought about it a fair bit and still can't quite decide what the correct biblical answer would be. On one hand, you have John 3:16 and numerous other passages that indicate believe=saved. On the other hand, it also says that not all who call him father will see the kingdom of heaven. Not even those who were able to drive out demons on his name will necessarily make it. Then we have multiple parables about how one should conduct oneself in the world, and bear good fruit, or else be cut down. The fruits of the spirit come to mind as well; if a professed believer does not exhibit any of the fruits of the Spirit, are they really a believer/Christian? I'm not nearly a good enough bible scholar to make a good debate of this, but I wonder if this is part of the problem some people have with Paul, as is being discussed in the other thread. It seems to me that people come to Christianity for one of 3 main reasons. The first is a hereditary Christian, they are Christians because their parents and friends were Christians,and have never really considered anything else. The second is basically scared of hell and are hedging their bets, playing the "better safe than sorry" card. The third is looking for a way to be a better person, either due to traumatic life events or because they simply are not satisfied with themselves. The second type seem very attracted to the idea that they can beleive and be saved, no further questions asked. These people often behave as badly or frequently worse than non believers, since they believe they have an ace up their sleeve that will save them in the end. The third type are more interested in trying to live the teachings of Jesus, as they believe this is the guideline to follow to live a good life and live properly in the world.I would be inclined to agree with them on that point,btw, regardless of if the Bible is "true" in every other sense. The last two types are often in conflict because one thinks the other is trying to earn something that can't be earned, while the other side thinks the former are simply using their faith as a blanket permit to behave as they please and still be "Christian" and saved, making everyone else who is actually trying to live right look bad. At least, that's the best I can explain it right now.
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. No, he just doesn't believe you either. It doesn't matter what he or you believe. You believe in the reality of bronze age myths, fantastic creatures, gods and demons.....which speaks for itself.
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. No, he just doesn't believe you either. It doesn't matter what he or you believe. You believe in the reality of bronze age myths, fantastic creatures, gods and demons.....which speaks for itself. No, what I believe matters to me, just as what OMOTS believes likely also matters to him. What doesn't matter to me is what you believe or think of my beliefs.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer? Did you fail to understand what I said? It appears that way. No, he just doesn't believe you either. It doesn't matter what he or you believe. You believe in the reality of bronze age myths, fantastic creatures, gods and demons.....which speaks for itself. No, what I believe matters to me, just as what OMOTS believes likely also matters to him. What doesn't matter to me is what you believe or think of my beliefs. That faith matters to him or to you is not being questioned.
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. To say it was not written by God is to purport to speak for God. So, on your premises you're no different than the Biblical writers you criticize.
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I'm not christian or religious in any way because it is all total bullcrap. Luckily I wasn't subject to the brainwashing as a child, apart from a forced religious class during primary school - but even then I knew it was crap.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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