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Just trying to help this thread out. Nobody is stopping you. Just try not to start your wailing and gnashing of teeth...it's bad for the enamel. Hahaha. For sure. Well, I'm mad at God for the flood. Those fallen angles took women for wives and their Male sons were giants called nephilim and they screwed the women and kilt the men and if HE hadnt done that flood BS we could have 10 foot tall crackers kicking ass in basketball., Wow, that's rough.
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First we better start off with an agreed upon definition of a Christian, then we can hash out who is and who isn't.
the church relaxed the requirements to be christian, to increase the flock...its a numbers game. He with the biggest flock wins...but the sheep still argue amongst themselves like they have 2000 yrs and counting...
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Churchianity is not Christianity
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Prov 4:23) Brother Keith
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Dinosaurs had more in common with birds than lizards, birds being the survivors.... According to what some unscientific scientist postulated from a few bones he guessed at. You made my point for me. Apparently having little understanding of paleontology or genetics, you had no point to begin with. Please brush up on the subject....but not using creationist material.
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I preached one Sunday in a church where the only ones present were my wife, myself, and God Almighty. Had the darnedest time trying to think I was right and everybody else was wrong. I knew God wasn't wrong, and with my wife there, I knew I couldn't be right. It ain't all about numbers, at least it never was for me. God counts better'n me, anyway.
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Prov 4:23) Brother Keith
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Dinosaurs had more in common with birds than lizards, birds being the survivors.... According to what some unscientific scientist postulated from a few bones he guessed at. You made my point for me. Apparently having little understanding of paleontology or genetics, you had no point to begin with. Please brush up on the subject....but not using creationist material. The easiest way to win an argument then from your standpoint is to shut down any differing views. Okay by me. I'll just write off whatever you say. Turn about is fair play.
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Prov 4:23) Brother Keith
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Dinosaurs had more in common with birds than lizards, birds being the survivors.... According to what some unscientific scientist postulated from a few bones he guessed at. You made my point for me. Apparently having little understanding of paleontology or genetics, you had no point to begin with. Please brush up on the subject....but not using creationist material. The easiest way to win an argument then from your standpoint is to shut down any differing views. Okay by me. I'll just write off whatever you say. Turn about is fair play. Lizards are not dinosaurs, it's basic stuff. The comment that lizards keep growing into dinosaurs, which lived thousands of years ago is absurd regardless of all arguments.
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Churchianity is not Christianity I'm stealing this. Unabashedly.
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Dinosaurs had more in common with birds than lizards, birds being the survivors.... According to what some unscientific scientist postulated from a few bones he guessed at. You made my point for me. Apparently having little understanding of paleontology or genetics, you had no point to begin with. Please brush up on the subject....but not using creationist material. The easiest way to win an argument then from your standpoint is to shut down any differing views. Okay by me. I'll just write off whatever you say. Turn about is fair play. Lizards are not dinosaurs, it's basic stuff. The comment that lizards keep growing into dinosaurs, which lived thousands of years ago is absurd regardless of all arguments. I didn't say lizards grew into dinosaurs. I said lizards grow into big lizards. Paleontologists invented dinosaurs out out of big lizards. You like evidence, show me the evidence for your lack of belief system. You ever seen a dinosaur? Me neither.
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Churchianity is not Christianity I'm stealing this. Unabashedly. You might as well steal it. I did!
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Prov 4:23) Brother Keith
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Well, I am! But I am an equal opportunity poster.
Have at it gents,
Hell ain't half full yet. First we better start off with an agreed upon definition of a Christian, then we can hash out who is and who isn't. The question is not who is a christian, but Why Aren't You one. Decide for yourself if you are or not, and then tell us why. Oh no I'm afraid it's not that simple! I've seen lots of people call themselves Christian's and yet according to biblical standards that simply can't be true. Also, I've seen plenty of arguments,here and elsewhere, between people claiming to be Christian while others who claim likewise tell them their beliefs are wrong, so maybe they aren't? It would be most helpful if we could just really nail it down first, then we can set about eliminating those who don't make the cut!
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Catholics aint Christians no how!
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The question was why, not how or who.
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An easy answer, the bible is a collection of books written by man, not God, and compiled by man, not God, in order to meet the needs of the people in power, Constantine, et al, as a way of controlling the masses, providing a value system and identity, ie, being a Christian.
Of course, the Jews disagreed. Jesus was not their promised Messiah, the Muslims have their own prophet... to mention a few problems with faith. When is an answer not an answer?
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Oh no I'm afraid it's not that simple! I've seen lots of people call themselves Christian's !
talk is cheap. I've seen plenty of arguments,here and elsewhere, between people claiming to be Christian while others who claim likewise tell them their beliefs are wrong! foks who supposedly all have the 'Holy Spirit' arguing whos more christian or who isnt? chances are they are all fakes.
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I am a Christian for sure and try to be a better one everyday, but aside from all of that... look at it this way.
If you don't believe, die and find out that there is a God, what consequences will you suffer????
If you believe, die and there is no God....then all you suffered was a life trying to be a better person.... what's so bad about that?
I sure could go for some $2.50/gal gas and a mean tweet!
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Oh no I'm afraid it's not that simple! I've seen lots of people call themselves Christian's and yet according to biblical standards that simply can't be true. Also, I've seen plenty of arguments,here and elsewhere, between people claiming to be Christian while others who claim likewise tell them their beliefs are wrong, so maybe they aren't? It would be most helpful if we could just really nail it down first, then we can set about eliminating those who don't make the cut!
I completely see where you’re coming from here. One doesn’t have to study Church history for long before this lack of clarity becomes clear. I have an understanding that is extremely under represented in American Christianity and am quite dogmatic about it, but I have studied other perspectives out of a desire to understand them from within (not just to prove them wrong from without) and cqn say that even as dogmatic as I am about my own perspective there is a lot of truth in many of them and they likely all could tell me and my tradition something that we could legitimately work on. That having been said, I don’t believe that they “aren’t Christians” tho I would say there are some faith traditions tha prove my Calvinistic (that is, that God reaches His people in spite of our best efforts) inclinations by the presence of Christians in spite of not because of the tradition itself. Sorry for being long winded but I think that’s a great question that only gets more complicated as time passes so likely not one you’ll get a significant consensus on.
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Simply believing that something is true doesn't make it true. People believe a lot of things. Each believer convinced that they are right and the others are wrong. Same argument back at you. A lot of unbelievers believe something is not true, but that doesn't make them right either. Come on! Convince me you bunch God haters. From whence comes your presupposition of hate? I think your post speaks more to the condition of some "Christians" on this forum then the non-Christians.
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Churchianity is not Christianity Then what exactly do you believe, and why do you believe it?
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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If you don't believe, die and find out that there is a God, what consequences will you suffer????
Nobody here can truthfully answer that. For christian belief is pure speculation based on adopted primitive mythology.
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