Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Non Lethal Church Security?

I'll start by agreeing that responsible armed members are a good thing.

There may be situation where less than gunfire is needed. What do you think?

not armed security is a death assignment.

I did not say unarmed, Asking about cases that do not call for rounds being fired.

Mmmm 22 or 380.

Richard, this will turn into another rehash of what has been discussed on here before. But, I don't care if it's church, a McDonalds, a Walmart, or the Prissy Missy beauty salon, but the only sure way to stop a would be killer is with lethal force. Anything else is not even debatable.

Why should "church security" be different from any other?

If less than lethal means are called for then don't use lethal means.....sounds fairly simple to me.

Almost all mass shooters plan on not surviving it. Many kill themselves before the cops can stop them. They're going to die anyway so help them get it done before more innocents die.

^^^THIS^^^

In those cases which do not call for the use of letal force, the judicious application of a good, old-fashioned, stick lickin', with a shillelegh, should suffice. An example of a situation which might call for this sort of action, as opposed to filling the offender with lead, would be an unruly drunk peeing in the Holy Water. Not a shooting offence but certainly deserving of a few well placed blows with the aforementioned instrument. GD

Yeah, "less than lethal"? Maybe a 25 Auto. lol

Honestly, most of y'all seem to have whole freaking security teams at Church. You could use tasers, cattle prods or whatnot. Batons, etc. This would be most helpful on some sinners who aren't towing the line too.

What's the question really? There are saps, powdered lead gloves, Louisville Sluggers...Bristoe lives in Kentucky, maybe he could get you a volume discount if you're a member of a mega-church like Jim Bakker used to run. Some Church member is getting rowdy and singing "Bringing in the Sheaves" too loud and some of this stuff could be useful. We've got some really poor singers that I've been tempted to use the Stun Gun on before.

Ball bats, Mace?

If they are gonna start some cshit, I doubt if it will be started except to kill innocents for no good reason.

Vandalism and shooting aren't even close to being the same thing. Getting close enough to a AR15 or shotgun packing shooter with a stick might not be the smartest thing you can do. Don't carry a stick to a gunfight.

Richard, your church should give Pastor Missy a double barrel shotgun to keep in the pulpit. Load one barrel with a non lethal bean bag round, and the other barrel with 00 Buck, and let her decide which barrel to use should something break out.

Yep. Me own sainted Gramma used to keep my Mom's baton from high school behind the front door so no rapists would get her. She saw something on the teevee recommending a length of garden hose for working over potential rapists (which in her mind was any black man she saw). She was swinging it around and telling me about it when I was about eleven or so. This was Dallas in the seventies and very dangerous (NOT).

But back to the point, I've heard others speak of getting real drunk Saturday night but always making it to Church Sunday morning, so I could see some issues with these members giving problems. Maybe taking several shots of the communion and shorting other members. Out comes the Baton or maybe just the garden hose if you're feeling especially forgiving that day.

What if it's a really sharp stick?

Sounds dangerous. Pastor Missy could get confused and nervous in all the excitement and let fly with Buck into the miscreant's crotch instead of just a beanbag round. Then you and the other Deacons have got quite the mess to deal with in Aisle Four instead of them just hauling out somebody whose only offense was staggering a bit to get to his pew. You know the Elder's ain't cleaning that up.

Sometimes a good, stern talking to is required.

And sometimes you just have to ignore the crying babies.

The first thing we need to do is to lock the doors just as the service starts.