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Yet one remains and ever shall til the end of time.
What started as a small brotherhood in Judea and then went on to Greece to become a philosophy , later moved on to become an Institution,,,,,and so it remains, warts, charlatans and all.
Chr*stianity is here to stay, like it or not.
That is the Truth. I hope it’s not too harsh.
If that is the truth what criteria did you use to rule all the other gods out? This should be an easy question, so how about actually answering it? Do you not understand that you are free to worship or not worship in any or no fashion at all. It’s your call. If you worship Satan and many do, then have at it. It’s yours to do. If you say worship and belief in the Cre*tor is a waste then go forth and ignore it. If deriding Chr*stians makes you feel justified, it’s your right to do so. No one can argue against that. That’s all I can offer you. So you're saying that you spun the religion wheel and it came up Christianity so you went with that. I love the way you operate - that's easily the laziest intellectual rigour I've ever seen
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Start with faith based charities on the Chr*stian side of the equation.]
Charity is not limited to Christians. nor is promise of an afterlife limited to christianity. some odd reason they think they got exclusive patent on the process.
So you're saying that you spun the religion wheel and it came up Christianity so you went with that.
that would be rare, since most are indoctrinated from a naive child, before they can know any better.
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Do you not understand that you are free to worship or not worship in any or no fashion at all.
so christians are not the victims they so often claim to be.
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Studies show that secular democratic states are fairer, more equitable and peaceful than theocracies. Compare the Nordic states to Iran, Iraq, Siria, etc, for social livability....
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I am no longer a Christian because AS, starman and a few others have enlightened me. ...
That's great to hear. I'd glad you are no longer living as a slave to Bronze Age superstition. I doubt a true Holy Spirit type would give up so easily, like most, Tom prob only had some cheap window dressing he liked to call faith.
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Studies show that secular democratic states are fairer, more equitable and peaceful than theocracies. Compare the Nordic states to Iran, Iraq, Siria, etc, for social livability.... Another way to say this, is the less Fundamentalist the beliefs of a country, the better the outcomes for it's citizens.
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People have been searching for gods for a long, long time.... believing in the existence of countless numbers of them along the way, each generation of believers convinced that their own beliefs are true. That is the truth. I hope it's not too harsh. Yet one remains and ever shall til the end of time. What started as a small brotherhood in Judea and then went on to Greece to become a philosophy , later moved on to become an Institution,,,,,and so it remains, warts, charlatans and all. Chr*stianity is here to stay, like it or not. That is the Truth. I hope it’s not too harsh. OT, Many religions have come and gone, sometimes over period of thousands of years. The Churches of Europe are now largely empty, and in the U.S. the fastest growing group in "Nons", i.e. the non-believers and non-affiliated. This trend is even more pronounced across generations with younger Americans being far less religious. Sniper you’re dead center right on mainstream churches losing in a big way, a very big way. The problems are, specifically, that the members didn’t leave their churches, it was and is a case of the churches leaving their members. I think we need to separate out the terms ‘religion ‘ and ’Chr*srianity”. The latter is alive and well, the religions,,,,not so much. What we are seeing in our general area is quite a growth in the smaller non-denominational churches that are Bible based and without all of the “social issues, du jour’ if you know what I’m implying here. I was born, baptized, confirmed and married as an Episcopalian. That denomination today bears no resemblance whatsoever to its past and it’s damned sad. They (the so called, leadership) go whichever way that the social wind blows. Your points are well made and taken. I still tithe and support our small Church because it is in the Traditional Style and only because of that. Our Minister is one of the hardest working ones that I’ve ever witnessed. Of course, that could change next week. As you say, Amigo,,,,the writing is on the wall. I see no return to what was the past.
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[quote=DBT]People have been searching for gods for a long, long time.... believing in the existence of countless numbers of them along the way, each generation of believers convinced that their own beliefs are true. That is the truth. I hope it's not too harsh. Yet one remains and ever shall til the end of time. What started as a small brotherhood in Judea and then went on to Greece to become a philosophy , later moved on to become an Institution,,,,,and so it remains, warts, charlatans and all. Chr*stianity is here to stay, like it or not. That is the Truth. I hope it’s not too harsh. Each and every believer confirms their conviction by stating what they believe, this alone doesn't prove that what they believe is true, is in fact true, no matter how sincere the conviction. That takes objective evidence, a body of information that anyone can access and evaluate and draw a similar conclusion. Be that as it may, what I wrote is fact . You are, of course, quite free to draw your own conclusions and believe what you will. I wish you well in your search. Believe what you like, it doesn't matter as long as it harms no one....however, facts are established with evidence, which is something accessible to all who care to look. The big difference being that your way never helped anyone. What do you mean by that? More detail please. [/quote Start with faith based charities on the Chr*stian side of the equation.] Charity is not limited to Christians. Lol.. I dont need to read a book or join a team to have values or ethics, its basic human nature. Specifically when the overwhelming evidence shows the over all Christian religion is riddled with horrible ethics and values.
Heres what I think. If I live a good, honest and productive life with only displaying 1/2 the hate and bigotry the average intolerant Christian does, God will give me a cut the line pass to heaven if there is such a place.
My Uncle In-Law was a pastor in the Methodist Church for 30+ years. The group his area used to manage their retirement accounts, mismanaged the funds and he was left hanging. Theres a man that served “god” for his entire career, and got bent over backwards. I guess him needing to keep working is all part of gods plan hahahaha...
Snake oil and fools gold. Theres always a catch with whatever someones selling.... and theres a lot of gullible buyers in this world. Your first sentence, you couldn’t possibly be more wrong than that. What specific proof do you offer to your first sentence beyond mere conjecture ? How about it Ejp1234 ? Your support group here should be able to lend you some amount of assistance beyond that of your Webster’s Dictionary that you pack around with you. Hint: Pick up a copy of Mr. Rogets Thesaurus and keep it with you too. Might even have a calming effect on those heavy emotions that you exhibit so well and frequently. Sorry Old Hoot.... Im out of town, in a city jammed packed with Christians doing extreme Christian things... Vegas.... Im not really trying to take a lot of time to teach you anything else. I imagine church is big $$ here too.... lots of sinning to forgive hahaha Man, you made me laugh ! You stay well and take care. In a manner of speaking we’ve somehow managed to swap insults and sort of compliment each other on the quality of the insults passed between us. Again, stay well. OT
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Studies show that secular democratic states are fairer, more equitable and peaceful than theocracies. Compare the Nordic states to Iran, Iraq, Siria, etc, for social livability.... No sane person could argue with what you’ve said.
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Yet one remains and ever shall til the end of time.
What started as a small brotherhood in Judea and then went on to Greece to become a philosophy , later moved on to become an Institution,,,,,and so it remains, warts, charlatans and all.
Chr*stianity is here to stay, like it or not.
That is the Truth. I hope it’s not too harsh.
If that is the truth what criteria did you use to rule all the other gods out? This should be an easy question, so how about actually answering it? Do you not understand that you are free to worship or not worship in any or no fashion at all. It’s your call. If you worship Satan and many do, then have at it. It’s yours to do. If you say worship and belief in the Cre*tor is a waste then go forth and ignore it. If deriding Chr*stians makes you feel justified, it’s your right to do so. No one can argue against that. That’s all I can offer you. So you're saying that you spun the religion wheel and it came up Christianity so you went with that. I love the way you operate - that's easily the laziest intellectual rigour I've ever seen I didn’t say that at all. You did. I appreciate your loving the way I operate.
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[quote=DBT]People have been searching for gods for a long, long time.... believing in the existence of countless numbers of them along the way, each generation of believers convinced that their own beliefs are true. That is the truth. I hope it's not too harsh. Yet one remains and ever shall til the end of time. What started as a small brotherhood in Judea and then went on to Greece to become a philosophy , later moved on to become an Institution,,,,,and so it remains, warts, charlatans and all. Chr*stianity is here to stay, like it or not. That is the Truth. I hope it’s not too harsh. Each and every believer confirms their conviction by stating what they believe, this alone doesn't prove that what they believe is true, is in fact true, no matter how sincere the conviction. That takes objective evidence, a body of information that anyone can access and evaluate and draw a similar conclusion. Be that as it may, what I wrote is fact . You are, of course, quite free to draw your own conclusions and believe what you will. I wish you well in your search. Believe what you like, it doesn't matter as long as it harms no one....however, facts are established with evidence, which is something accessible to all who care to look. The big difference being that your way never helped anyone. What do you mean by that? More detail please. [/quote Start with faith based charities on the Chr*stian side of the equation.] Charity is not limited to Christians. I never said that it was. But would you please name me an Atheist based charity group?
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What we are seeing in our general area is quite a growth in the smaller non-denominational churches that are Bible based and without all of the “social issues, du jour’ if you know what I’m implying here.
I was born, baptized, confirmed and married as an Episcopalian. That denomination today bears no resemblance whatsoever to its past and it’s damned sad. They (the so called, leadership) go whichever way that the social wind blows. Your points are well made and taken.
I still tithe and support our small Church because it is in the Traditional Style and only because of that. Our Minister is one of the hardest working ones that I’ve ever witnessed. Of course, that could change next week.
As you say, Amigo,,,,the writing is on the wall. I see no return to what was the past.
I am assured the evolution of the church(s) is no new phenomenon. Those in charge of collecting profits have been inclined to alter "The Message" so that it encompasses an ever larger congregation all the time. We have 2000 years of recorded history demonstrating just this. Constantine is but one example. Priests and rulers have always rewritten doctrine in such a way as to gain power and money.
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What we are seeing in our general area is quite a growth in the smaller non-denominational churches that are Bible based and without all of the “social issues, du jour’ if you know what I’m implying here.
I was born, baptized, confirmed and married as an Episcopalian. That denomination today bears no resemblance whatsoever to its past and it’s damned sad. They (the so called, leadership) go whichever way that the social wind blows. Your points are well made and taken.
I still tithe and support our small Church because it is in the Traditional Style and only because of that. Our Minister is one of the hardest working ones that I’ve ever witnessed. Of course, that could change next week.
As you say, Amigo,,,,the writing is on the wall. I see no return to what was the past.
I am assured the evolution of the church(s) is no new phenomenon. Those in charge of collecting profits have been inclined to alter "The Message" so that it encompasses an ever larger congregation all the time. We have 2000 years of recorded history demonstrating just this. Constantine is but one example. Priests and rulers have always rewritten doctrine in such a way as to gain power and money. Some would call it, “A Changing Church for a Changing World “. Now ain’t that accommodation for ya ! I seem to recall something about ‘the same today, yesterday and forever, unchanging ‘. Appears that it sort of slid off of the table.
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Tis pretty obvious that many of the largest congregations never read Leviticus.
But, hey, whatever it takes to fill the coffers and keep the Priests fat and satisfied.
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I never said that it was.
But would you please name me an Atheist based charity group?
The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science Atheist Community of Austin There's two.
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[quote=Old_Toot][quote=DBT]People have been searching for gods for a long, long time.... believing in the existence of countless numbers of them along the way, each generation of believers convinced that their own beliefs are true. That is the truth. I hope it's not too harsh. Yet one remains and ever shall til the end of time. What started as a small brotherhood in Judea and then went on to Greece to become a philosophy , later moved on to become an Institution,,,,,and so it remains, warts, charlatans and all. Chr*stianity is here to stay, like it or not. That is the Truth. I hope it’s not too harsh. Each and every believer confirms their conviction by stating what they believe, this alone doesn't prove that what they believe is true, is in fact true, no matter how sincere the conviction. That takes objective evidence, a body of information that anyone can access and evaluate and draw a similar conclusion. Be that as it may, what I wrote is fact . You are, of course, quite free to draw your own conclusions and believe what you will. I wish you well in your search. Believe what you like, it doesn't matter as long as it harms no one....however, facts are established with evidence, which is something accessible to all who care to look. The big difference being that your way never helped anyone. What do you mean by that? More detail please. [/quote Start with faith based charities on the Chr*stian side of the equation.] Charity is not limited to Christians. Lol.. I dont need to read a book or join a team to have values or ethics, its basic human nature. Specifically when the overwhelming evidence shows the over all Christian religion is riddled with horrible ethics and values.
Heres what I think. If I live a good, honest and productive life with only displaying 1/2 the hate and bigotry the average intolerant Christian does, God will give me a cut the line pass to heaven if there is such a place.
My Uncle In-Law was a pastor in the Methodist Church for 30+ years. The group his area used to manage their retirement accounts, mismanaged the funds and he was left hanging. Theres a man that served “god” for his entire career, and got bent over backwards. I guess him needing to keep working is all part of gods plan hahahaha...
Snake oil and fools gold. Theres always a catch with whatever someones selling.... and theres a lot of gullible buyers in this world. Your first sentence, you couldn’t possibly be more wrong than that. What specific proof do you offer to your first sentence beyond mere conjecture ? How about it Ejp1234 ? Your support group here should be able to lend you some amount of assistance beyond that of your Webster’s Dictionary that you pack around with you. Hint: Pick up a copy of Mr. Rogets Thesaurus and keep it with you too. Might even have a calming effect on those heavy emotions that you exhibit so well and frequently. Sorry Old Hoot.... Im out of town, in a city jammed packed with Christians doing extreme Christian things... Vegas.... Im not really trying to take a lot of time to teach you anything else. I imagine church is big $$ here too.... lots of sinning to forgive hahaha Man, you made me laugh ! You stay well and take care. In a manner of speaking we’ve somehow managed to swap insults and sort of compliment each other on the quality of the insults passed between us. Again, stay well. OT[/quote] I sure wish I could insult as well as Mark Twain and Christopher Hitches.
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Man has invented literally thousands of gods to explain that which they could not understand and to establish order and control over other people. The only difference between me and a christian is that I believe in one less god than you do.
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Yes, it's always the other man's God that is false, never one's own.
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Yes, it's always the other man's God that is false, never one's own. Word.
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People have been searching for gods for a long, long time.... believing in the existence of countless numbers of them along the way, each generation of believers convinced that their own beliefs are true. That is the truth. I hope it's not too harsh. Yet one remains and ever shall til the end of time. What started as a small brotherhood in Judea and then went on to Greece to become a philosophy , later moved on to become an Institution,,,,,and so it remains, warts, charlatans and all. Chr*stianity is here to stay, like it or not. That is the Truth. I hope it’s not too harsh. OT, Many religions have come and gone, sometimes over period of thousands of years. The Churches of Europe are now largely empty, and in the U.S. the fastest growing group in "Nons", i.e. the non-believers and non-affiliated. This trend is even more pronounced across generations with younger Americans being far less religious. ...... I was born, baptized, confirmed and married as an Episcopalian. That denomination today bears no resemblance whatsoever to its past and it’s damned sad. They (the so called, leadership) go whichever way that the social wind blows. Your points are well made and taken. ..... Now we are getting somewhere. Your religious choice wasn't yours - you were brainwashed into it.
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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