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I quit reading this thread several pages back . I wonder if the Zoroastrian delegation that took a dangerous journey to pay homage Jesus after his birth would be considered Christian. I think this label Christian is denied some who really have understood who was this Jesus, and who realize(d) he was a prophet and teacher with a message direct from God.. Not aware of the Zoroastrians recording any such child/birth event, or recording that any such delegation was sent. and Matthew is the only gospel with such narrative. Yes, I should have also wondered if they were Zoroastrian. I suspect they were. The Jews were held captive by Cyrus and Cyrus allowed and financed their return. I think it likely there was a link and shared beliefs between the Hebrews and Zoroaster's followers maybe even to the point of respect and acceptance. There are some similarities. I have read speculation that Zoroastrians may have even considered themselves the parent of the Hebrew religion.
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Ohh yeah, scoony, The Wapo. Good source never known for fake news. Prove that secular charity groups don't exist! sound familiar? So many. You’re still way behind the little piss ant town of Baton Rouge. FYI, there’s a vast fuggin difference between “secular “ and “atheist “. Agree? Secular means not affiliated with religious or spiritual organizations....which means that their motivation is not related to religion. I certain it’s safe to say that all gathered here are well aware of the definition of secular . The subject, for your reedification, is Chr*stian benevolent organizations versus atheist benevolent organizations . Let’s see your list. Surely after all of your ramblings you have some to present for us to peruse. Surely ?
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Secular means not affiliated with religious or spiritual organizations....which means that their motivation is not related to religion.
And many religious folk support secularism for purposes of their own religious freedom.
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Secular means not affiliated with religious or spiritual organizations....which means that their motivation is not related to religion.
And many religious folk support secularism for purposes of their own religious freedom. Most support worthy things, secular or not,e.g., NGOs.
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I quit reading this thread several pages back . I wonder if the Zoroastrian delegation that took a dangerous journey to pay homage Jesus after his birth would be considered Christian. I think this label Christian is denied some who really have understood who was this Jesus, and who realize(d) he was a prophet and teacher with a message direct from God.. Not aware of the Zoroastrians recording any such child/birth event, or recording that any such delegation was sent. and Matthew is the only gospel with such narrative. Yes, I should have also wondered if they were Zoroastrian. I suspect they were. The Jews were held captive by Cyrus and Cyrus allowed and financed their return. I think it likely there was a link and shared beliefs between the Hebrews and Zoroaster's followers maybe even to the point of respect and acceptance. There are some similarities. I have read speculation that Zoroastrians may have even considered themselves the parent of the Hebrew religion. Satan and Hell were both borrowed from the Zoroastrians.
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To the header question. Undecided in the grand scheme of things... Found a lot to be unbelievable and frankly utter nonsense. Heard stupid chit at Sunday school. Hypocrites and sons of bitches. Couldn't actually care less what people thought 2000 years ago. Virgins do not have babies. No offense intended to anyone.
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Ohh yeah, scoony, The Wapo. Good source never known for fake news. Prove that secular charity groups don't exist! sound familiar? So many. You’re still way behind the little piss ant town of Baton Rouge. FYI, there’s a vast fuggin difference between “secular “ and “atheist “. Agree? Secular means not affiliated with religious or spiritual organizations....which means that their motivation is not related to religion. I certain it’s safe to say that all gathered here are well aware of the definition of secular . I was responding to the tone of your remark, not what anyone else may or may not be aware of.
The subject, for your reedification, is Chr*stian benevolent organizations versus atheist benevolent organizations .
Let’s see your list. Surely after all of your ramblings you have some to present for us to peruse.
Surely ?
Your holier than thou manner is misplaced because, as I've already said, nobody is arguing against the good work of Christian charities (or Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim charity work), or that there are psychological benefits that faith brings to believers of many faiths. That is not being disputed. The argument is related to the supernatural claims that religion makes, the existence of their gods and all that goes with it. However, to play your little game, here a list of some prominent secular charities. Red Cross Oxfam UNICEF Fred Hollows Foundation Water Aid Save The Children Doctors Without Borders The Gates Foundation SHARE (Secular Humanist Aid & Relief Effort)
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I never said that it was.
But would you please name me an Atheist based charity group?
The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science Atheist Community of Austin There's two. That is two, indeed. By comparison I can say that as a microcosm, every denomination in just the city of Baton Rouge has the same, food bank, soup kitchen, clothes for the poor, shelters for the homeless, free pharmacy and the list goes on. In my small rural area there are six. We’re talking a sixty mile radius, for reference. Nobody is arguing against the good work that Christian organizations do, or the benefits that religion brings to believers, but it's wrong to say that religion is the only source of aid for the needy or that it takes religion to care. Who so much as even implied that? Let’s see your atheist list of benevolence while we’re at it here. You are implying even now....perhaps without realizing it. I'm posting on the phone so I can't quote relevant information at the moment. I'll just mention that we have many government programs to aid those in need. Our government does the same. I’ll wait for your list of atheists benevolence. Take your time. Yep. The pink elephant in many of these discussions.
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Ohh yeah, scoony, The Wapo. Good source never known for fake news. Prove that secular charity groups don't exist! sound familiar? So many. You’re still way behind the little piss ant town of Baton Rouge. FYI, there’s a vast fuggin difference between “secular “ and “atheist “. Agree? Secular means not affiliated with religious or spiritual organizations....which means that their motivation is not related to religion. I certain it’s safe to say that all gathered here are well aware of the definition of secular . I was responding to the tone of your remark, not what anyone else may or may not be aware of.
The subject, for your reedification, is Chr*stian benevolent organizations versus atheist benevolent organizations .
Let’s see your list. Surely after all of your ramblings you have some to present for us to peruse.
Surely ?
Your holier than thou manner is misplaced because, as I've already said, nobody is arguing against the good work of Christian charities (or Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim charity work), or that there are psychological benefits that faith brings to believers of many faiths. That is not being disputed. The argument is related to the supernatural claims that religion makes, the existence of their gods and all that goes with it. However, to play your little game, here a list of some prominent secular charities. Red Cross Oxfam UNICEF Fred Hollows Foundation Water Aid Save The Children Doctors Without Borders The Gates Foundation SHARE (Secular Humanist Aid & Relief Effort) Still hung up on the secular things and not honest enough to admit that you have no benevolent atheist organizations. As you would say, “classic “. You’re caught in your own trap. Take offense if you like and if it makes you feel better, even justified . You are only receiving back in kind that which you gave. Be well.
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Ohh yeah, scoony, The Wapo. Good source never known for fake news. Prove that secular charity groups don't exist! sound familiar? So many. You’re still way behind the little piss ant town of Baton Rouge. FYI, there’s a vast fuggin difference between “secular “ and “atheist “. Agree? Secular means not affiliated with religious or spiritual organizations....which means that their motivation is not related to religion. I certain it’s safe to say that all gathered here are well aware of the definition of secular . I was responding to the tone of your remark, not what anyone else may or may not be aware of.
The subject, for your reedification, is Chr*stian benevolent organizations versus atheist benevolent organizations .
Let’s see your list. Surely after all of your ramblings you have some to present for us to peruse.
Surely ?
Your holier than thou manner is misplaced because, as I've already said, nobody is arguing against the good work of Christian charities (or Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim charity work), or that there are psychological benefits that faith brings to believers of many faiths. That is not being disputed. The argument is related to the supernatural claims that religion makes, the existence of their gods and all that goes with it. However, to play your little game, here a list of some prominent secular charities. Red Cross Oxfam UNICEF Fred Hollows Foundation Water Aid Save The Children Doctors Without Borders The Gates Foundation SHARE (Secular Humanist Aid & Relief Effort) Still hung up on the secular things and not honest enough to admit that you have no benevolent atheist organizations. As you would say, “classic “. You’re caught in your own trap. Take offense if you like and if it makes you feel better, even justified . You are only receiving back in kind that which you gave. Be well. Secular means 'nothing to do with religion or belief in god.' I'm not surprised by your denial. Or that you ignore what I said about not disputing the good work that many religious organizations do. The dispute was always about supernatural claims, not charity or good works.
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Christians desperately trying to join dots between material benevolence and the spiritual realm?
same folks that think a human blood sacrifice provides them eternal life.
get a load of this ritualistic nonsense:
“.. I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood,
you do not have life within you,” [John 6:53]
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It was a bit of a pizzing contest - believers better than non -believers
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk. That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied. Well?
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Ohh yeah, scoony, The Wapo. Good source never known for fake news. Prove that secular charity groups don't exist! sound familiar? So many. You’re still way behind the little piss ant town of Baton Rouge. FYI, there’s a vast fuggin difference between “secular “ and “atheist “. Agree? Secular means not affiliated with religious or spiritual organizations....which means that their motivation is not related to religion. I certain it’s safe to say that all gathered here are well aware of the definition of secular . I was responding to the tone of your remark, not what anyone else may or may not be aware of.
The subject, for your reedification, is Chr*stian benevolent organizations versus atheist benevolent organizations .
Let’s see your list. Surely after all of your ramblings you have some to present for us to peruse.
Surely ?
Your holier than thou manner is misplaced because, as I've already said, nobody is arguing against the good work of Christian charities (or Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim charity work), or that there are psychological benefits that faith brings to believers of many faiths. That is not being disputed. The argument is related to the supernatural claims that religion makes, the existence of their gods and all that goes with it. However, to play your little game, here a list of some prominent secular charities. Red Cross Oxfam UNICEF Fred Hollows Foundation Water Aid Save The Children Doctors Without Borders The Gates Foundation SHARE (Secular Humanist Aid & Relief Effort) Still hung up on the secular things and not honest enough to admit that you have no benevolent atheist organizations. As you would say, “classic “. You’re caught in your own trap. Take offense if you like and if it makes you feel better, even justified . You are only receiving back in kind that which you gave. Be well. Secular means 'nothing to do with religion or belief in god.' I'm not surprised by your denial. Or that you ignore what I said about not disputing the good work that many religious organizations do. The dispute was always about supernatural claims, not charity or good works.[/quote] Excellent ploy. When you have no answer, no proof, you simply shift the narrative. Well played. In the “classic “ atheist way, of course.
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Here’s another for you American non believers.
You have NO inalienable rights. None. De facto and directly so.
Reason :
According to our 13 Forefathers and original document signers, those specific, inalienable rights were bestowed upon us by our Cre*tor in whom you do not believe. He does not exist according to you. Ergo,,,,,,,,,,,,.
You Australians live and survive on negative freedoms.
That should get the party started, I’m thinking.
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Christians desperately trying to join dots between material benevolence and the spiritual realm?
same folks that think a human blood sacrifice provides them eternal life.
get a load of this ritualistic nonsense:
“.. I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood,
you do not have life within you,” [John 6:53]
You’re the one that sounds desperate here. As always.
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Ohh yeah, scoony, The Wapo. Good source never known for fake news. Prove that secular charity groups don't exist! sound familiar? So many. You’re still way behind the little piss ant town of Baton Rouge. FYI, there’s a vast fuggin difference between “secular “ and “atheist “. Agree? Secular means not affiliated with religious or spiritual organizations....which means that their motivation is not related to religion. I certain it’s safe to say that all gathered here are well aware of the definition of secular . I was responding to the tone of your remark, not what anyone else may or may not be aware of.
The subject, for your reedification, is Chr*stian benevolent organizations versus atheist benevolent organizations .
Let’s see your list. Surely after all of your ramblings you have some to present for us to peruse.
Surely ?
Your holier than thou manner is misplaced because, as I've already said, nobody is arguing against the good work of Christian charities (or Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim charity work), or that there are psychological benefits that faith brings to believers of many faiths. That is not being disputed. The argument is related to the supernatural claims that religion makes, the existence of their gods and all that goes with it. However, to play your little game, here a list of some prominent secular charities. Red Cross Oxfam UNICEF Fred Hollows Foundation Water Aid Save The Children Doctors Without Borders The Gates Foundation SHARE (Secular Humanist Aid & Relief Effort) Still hung up on the secular things and not honest enough to admit that you have no benevolent atheist organizations. As you would say, “classic “. You’re caught in your own trap. Take offense if you like and if it makes you feel better, even justified . You are only receiving back in kind that which you gave. Be well. Secular means 'nothing to do with religion or belief in god.' I'm not surprised by your denial. Or that you ignore what I said about not disputing the good work that many religious organizations do. The dispute was always about supernatural claims, not charity or good works.[/quote] Excellent ploy. When you have no answer, no proof, you simply shift the narrative. Well played. In the “classic “ atheist way, of course. [/quote] I gave a list of non religious charities even though it was not needed because charity work is not the issue. It never was. The issue was, is and remains the supernatural claims, whatever the religion. I've explained this several times now, to no avail.
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Christians desperately trying to join dots between material benevolence and the spiritual realm?
same folks that think a human blood sacrifice provides them eternal life.
get a load of this ritualistic nonsense:
“.. I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood,
you do not have life within you,” [John 6:53]
You’re the one that sounds desperate here. As always. I have to say that you sound constantly upset. I'm not attacking you, it's just an impression based on the tone of your posts.
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Well, I am! But I am an equal opportunity poster.
Have at it gent
Hell ain't half full yet. Amen, me too. I don't bother people about their choice, but the Bible says we are to witness to the lost and try to bring them into the fold. It's kinda bothersome because if you try to talk to some they will come back at you saying to mind your own business. Been their done that. Besides, I've got some cleaning up to do with my own life before I go telling people to follow me. But I'm with you on being an equal opportunity poster.
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Here’s another for you American non believers.
You have NO inalienable rights. None. De facto and directly so.
Reason :
According to our 13 Forefathers and original document signers, those specific, inalienable rights were bestowed upon us by our Cre*tor in whom you do not believe. He does not exist according to you. Ergo,,,,,,,,,,,,.
You Australians live and survive on negative freedoms.
That should get the party started, I’m thinking. Correct. The only rights you have, are those you can defend. If our rights were granted and maintained by a supernatural being there would be no need for a Second Amendment, or for that matter, any other...
You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
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Here’s another for you American non believers.
You have NO inalienable rights. None. De facto and directly so.
Reason :
According to our 13 Forefathers and original document signers, those specific, inalienable rights were bestowed upon us by our Cre*tor in whom you do not believe. He does not exist according to you. Ergo,,,,,,,,,,,,.
You Australians live and survive on negative freedoms.
That should get the party started, I’m thinking. Correct. The only rights you have, are those you can defend. If our rights were granted and maintained by a supernatural being there would be no need for a Second Amendment, or for that matter, any other... Bit of a stretch. We’re a nation of laws. Those laws protect and are guaranteed to us. One day we may well have to defend them and it has the appearance of being fairly close as time goes by. According to a few here it seems our forefathers and Constitution framers, bill of rights authors were little more than superstitious dolts who had their heads,,,full of phantoms. Pick up a copy of Federer’s book, “Faith in History “. You may not agree, Sniper but I think you’d enjoy the read.
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