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Maybe you trolls could give up postin in religion threads, for Lent. Trolls? Just because some don't happen to agree with your beliefs doesn't make them trolls. That accusation is designed to discourage questioning. Healthy scepticism and questioning is a good thing, a positive thing.
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Maybe you trolls could give up postin in religion threads, for Lent. Trolls? Just because some don't happen to agree with your beliefs doesn't make them trolls. That accusation is designed to discourage questioning. Healthy scepticism and questioning is a good thing, a positive thing. Your answer assumes you speak for alla the trolls.
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Atheism... It is simply a matter of not being convinced in the existence of a God or gods. With you it is clearly much more than that. ...you can't stand to see someone believe in a higher power. Nailed it, plain and simple. Period. Atheism is nothing more to me than a lack of conviction in the the existence of a God or gods. lol It is clearly WAY more to you than ‘just’ that. You can’t stand it that other folks believe in God when you don’t WANT them to, and it eats you up. Fubarski...in all of his posts on this thread directed at you...has you pegged to a tee. He is deadly accurate regarding his posts to you.
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Western civilization began long before Christianity. And...? Regardless...are you denying the positive impact of Christianity upon Western Civilization...? The church went a long way in ushering in the dark ages, suppressing progress. And yeah, I know the Irish Monks did their bit in preserving manuscripts from the classical era, but that's not the point. Rather than the church hierarchy or christian doctrine that brought on the enlightenment, it was the inquiring minds of gifted thinkers who thought outside of the teachings of the church. Your prejudice is amazing. The Creationists Christians are the ones who brought us out of the dark ages. Stop reading atheist's propaganda, man. The point was, that rather than it being religious thinking that brought on the enlightenment, it was free thought and rationalism that brought progress, enlightened minds. Newton, at al, were theists because belief in a higher power was a part of their culture, but it was their inquiring minds that made discoveries outside of the box of religious faith, not because of it.....as I already said, which was apparently misconstrued. Progress was made not because of religious belief, but in spite of it...think of the trouble Darwin had with evolution in a time when special creation was taken as gospel. This is history. Newton wrote more about the Bible than he did about science. All the greats were Christians first and then scientists trying to think God's thoughts after him. That's why they made so many discoveries. Today scientists copy nature to improve things. Things don't make themselves.
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I have heard that many advances are made with Revelations of The Holy Spirit. For example? Read Ben Carson's biography.
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Ringman mentions prejudice. I am no longer prejudice. I am informed. When I was twenty-five my favorite evolutionist was proven wrong by another evolutionist who had facts instead of prejudice. I read a lot of books and discovered ALL evolutionists are discredited by other evolutionists. Very sad state of affairs for a devout evolutionist. I was convinced religious people had warped minds and didn't want any of the neighbors taking my kids to Sunday School. If you actually did serious investigation you would become a creationist.
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Maybe you trolls could give up postin in religion threads, for Lent. Trolls? Just because some don't happen to agree with your beliefs doesn't make them trolls. That accusation is designed to discourage questioning. Healthy scepticism and questioning is a good thing, a positive thing. Your answer assumes you speak for alla the trolls. Trolls of all persuasions exist, but that wasn't what I was referring to.
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Maybe subversives in disguise pushing the communist step of destroying our religion as one page of the communist plan? They sure are "driven" for having no dog in the fight? Surely there wouldnt be money involved. Atheism has nothing to do with politics. A capitalist can be an atheist, as can a socialist, communist or someone with an aversion to politics. It is simply a matter of not being convinced in the existence of a God or gods. I think you stated that incorrectly. A true atheist is convinced there is no God. Someone not convinced is more agnostic.
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Ringman mentions prejudice. I am no longer prejudice. I am informed. When I was twenty-five my favorite evolutionist was proven wrong by another evolutionist who had facts instead of prejudice. I read a lot of books and discovered ALL evolutionists are discredited by other evolutionists. Very sad state of affairs for a devout evolutionist. I was convinced religious people had warped minds and didn't want any of the neighbors taking my kids to Sunday School. If you actually did serious investigation you would become a creationist. You assume that I have not done a 'serious' investigation because you don't agree with what I say. If you looked at religion and its foundations objectively, you would become an atheist or an agnostic.
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. I read a lot of books and discovered ALL evolutionists are discredited by other evolutionists. ...Very sad state of affairs for a devout evolutionist. I was convinced religious people had warped minds you failed to mention many theists discredit other theist interpretations of just one book. a very sad state of affairs for any devout theists....no?
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I have heard that many advances are made with Revelations of The Holy Spirit. For example? Read Ben Carson's biography. What is it's significance, just as a summary?
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Maybe subversives in disguise pushing the communist step of destroying our religion as one page of the communist plan? They sure are "driven" for having no dog in the fight? Surely there wouldnt be money involved. Atheism has nothing to do with politics. A capitalist can be an atheist, as can a socialist, communist or someone with an aversion to politics. It is simply a matter of not being convinced in the existence of a God or gods. I think you stated that incorrectly. A true atheist is convinced there is no God. Someone not convinced is more agnostic. Atheism comes in layers, strong atheism, weak atheism, etc, look it up. Strong atheism goes too far, tipping into ideology. Weak atheism overlaps with agnosticism to a degree. I am not a strong atheist.
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Ringman mentions prejudice. I am no longer prejudice. I am informed. When I was twenty-five my favorite evolutionist was proven wrong by another evolutionist who had facts instead of prejudice. I read a lot of books and discovered ALL evolutionists are discredited by other evolutionists. Very sad state of affairs for a devout evolutionist. I was convinced religious people had warped minds and didn't want any of the neighbors taking my kids to Sunday School. If you actually did serious investigation you would become a creationist. You assume that I have not done a 'serious' investigation because you don't agree with what I say. If you looked at religion and its foundations objectively, you would become an atheist or an agnostic. Like I said, If you actually did serious investigation you would become a creationist. It took years before I became a Christian after I became a creationist. So I did the work and have read many books since. You might do well to read the book "Jesus and Mohamad". The guy was an Islam IMAM by age twenty or so. He was second in a class of 6,000 from Cairo University. He now has a Ph.D. in world religions and became a Christian. I don't think you could convince him he needs to do more study. He and I are more convinced than you.
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Atheism... It is simply a matter of not being convinced in the existence of a God or gods. With you it is clearly much more than that. ...you can't stand to see someone believe in a higher power. Nailed it, plain and simple. Period. Atheism is nothing more to me than a lack of conviction in the the existence of a God or gods. lol It is clearly WAY more to you than ‘just’ that. You can’t stand it that other folks believe in God when you don’t WANT them to, and it eats you up. Fubarski...in all of his posts on this thread directed at you...has you pegged to a tee. He is deadly accurate regarding his posts to you. Some can take atheism too far -Strong Atheism - but that's not what the term means....which is literally a - theism: without a God or a theology. I would argue against the ideology of Strong Atheism.
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Ringman mentions prejudice. I am no longer prejudice. I am informed. When I was twenty-five my favorite evolutionist was proven wrong by another evolutionist who had facts instead of prejudice. I read a lot of books and discovered ALL evolutionists are discredited by other evolutionists. Very sad state of affairs for a devout evolutionist. I was convinced religious people had warped minds and didn't want any of the neighbors taking my kids to Sunday School. If you actually did serious investigation you would become a creationist. You assume that I have not done a 'serious' investigation because you don't agree with what I say. If you looked at religion and its foundations objectively, you would become an atheist or an agnostic. Like I said, If you actually did serious investigation you would become a creationist. It took years before I became a Christian after I became a creationist. So I did the work and have read many books since. You might do well to read the book "Jesus and Mohamad". The guy was an Islam IMAM by age twenty or so. He was second in a class of 6,000 from Cairo University. He now has a Ph.D. in world religions and became a Christian. I don't think you could convince him he needs to do more study. He and I are more convinced than you. Not to mention the countless numbers of people who put in the study time and become atheists as a result. Many becoming atheists because of their study of the bible. Would you become a Muslim if you studied the Quran? Would you become a Hindu if you studied the Gita?
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It took years before I became a Christian after I became a creationist... Would you become a Muslim if you studied the Quran? Would you become a Hindu if you studied the Gita? Re: Ben Carson became a christian at 14, after stabbing a dude then finding a Bible in the room and reading proverbs for 3 hrs...."true story". now he is a double-baptised Seventh Day Adventist that believes most denominations serve the devil.
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It took years before I became a Christian after I became a creationist... Would you become a Muslim if you studied the Quran? Would you become a Hindu if you studied the Gita? Re: Ben Carson became a christian at 14, after stabbing a dude then finding a Bible in the room and reading proverbs for 3 hrs...."true story". nows he is a double-baptised Seventh Day Adventist that believes most denominations serve the devil. Great scholarship.
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Well its just a lucky stroke Ben didnt murder the victim, then become a 'born again christian' for the judge and jury.
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