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Re: Model 19 357 price? [Re: coyote268] #14669656 03/16/20
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What is "a steady diet of magnums?" I've heard that expression for years. How many magnum level rounds does it take to shoot a M19 loose?


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Re: Model 19 357 price? [Re: MOGC] #14669787 03/16/20
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Okay, so I'm a sucker for overused phrases, too. wink Basically, I'd call a steady diet shooting at least one or two 50 round boxes of full power .357 Magnum rounds every time you shoot. Depending on the frequency of shooting - daily, weekly, monthly, once a year on your birthday - a revolver could last a lifetime or start to develop end shake in a year or two.

But instead of trying to absolutely quantify "number of rounds = worn out" which varies from piece to piece I'll put it another way. Based on several examples from gun show tables I'd definitely want to examine an older Model 19 in person to check for signs of end shake or other wear, whereas I'd have few qualms buying a used Security Six from the internet as long as the external condition appeared okay.

Heck, I shot my 1981 vintage Model 586 enough to develop some endshake after about 20 years. Sent it back to S&W and they fixed it up nice and tight again.


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Re: Model 19 357 price? [Re: Jim in Idaho] #14670294 03/16/20
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Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
Unless you're enamored of the Model 19 - and they are fine pieces - the Ruger Security Six is a same size option that AFAIK does not shoot loose even with a steady diet of magnums. They can usually be found for a god deal less than a comparable condition S&W. I've owned a few of them and any given example will be at least as accurate as any given Model 19 although the trigger isn't quite as nice, but then there are very few firearms anywhere with trigger pulls as nice as a K-frame single action pull.

Yeah, but the Security Six is bud-tugly.

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End shake can be fixed. It's the cracked barrel extension and flame cut topstrap that supposedly are K frame killers that would concern me... if I ever saw a M19 that had either of those. I guess I don't get around enough but I just haven't ran across a bunch of busted up S&W K Magnum revolvers. I've carried them on duty and have owned at least a dozen over the years and they have held up fine. Admittedly I'm not running tens of thousands of magnum loads through them.

I have owned about the same number of Ruger Security Sixes as K frame S&W magnums. Though rougher in finish and action they have been pretty good guns. I do remember one Ruger that would bind up the cylinder when shooting handloads with Unique powder. A hundred rounds of Unique would lock that gun up while a M19 continued to operate just fine. While I'm sure shooting loose a M19 may happen, the whole thing seems over played to me.


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Originally Posted by Triggernosis
Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
Unless you're enamored of the Model 19 - and they are fine pieces - the Ruger Security Six is a same size option that AFAIK does not shoot loose even with a steady diet of magnums. They can usually be found for a god deal less than a comparable condition S&W. I've owned a few of them and any given example will be at least as accurate as any given Model 19 although the trigger isn't quite as nice, but then there are very few firearms anywhere with trigger pulls as nice as a K-frame single action pull.

Yeah, but the Security Six is bud-tugly.




Haha. Yeah. Diehard Ruger guys tend to gloss over that part. smile


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Originally Posted by local_dirt
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Yeah, but the Security Six is bud-tugly.




Haha. Yeah. Diehard Ruger guys tend to gloss over that part. smile



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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
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Yeah, but the Security Six is bud-tugly.




Haha. Yeah. Diehard Ruger guys tend to gloss over that part. smile



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Haha. Of course. I don't really have anything against Rugers. Got a few myself. smile


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Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
Unless you're enamored of the Model 19 - and they are fine pieces - the Ruger Security Six is a same size option that AFAIK does not shoot loose even with a steady diet of magnums. They can usually be found for a god deal less than a comparable condition S&W. I've owned a few of them and any given example will be at least as accurate as any given Model 19 although the trigger isn't quite as nice, but then there are very few firearms anywhere with trigger pulls as nice as a K-frame single action pull.


The unfortunate thing with them is that they are no longer supportednby Ruger.

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What is endshake?

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It's what happens to older guns.

When you're young and just starting out buying new guns the end of the barrel is steady, but when the gun gets older it tends to shake around more, so it's called "end shake" or "endshake". Some folks say it's just me getting older but that can't possibly be, it has to be the gun....


OR

It's the front to back movement of the cylinder. Some revolvers will display a tiny bit of movement right out of the box which isn't detrimental, but a lot of heavy recoil can increase it. My 6" GP100 .357 which is about 10 years old shows just a teensy bit of movement but it always has, I'd guess no more than a few ten thousandths, whereas a 67 year old S&W K38 .38 Spl I bought recently has absolutely zero movement at all.


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The 629 I bought new wobbles in all directions now. The frigging sights fall off, the ejector rod unscrews and locks things up. The cylinder release falls off.


I love that thing.


A 4 inch GP100 would be smart I guess, but the SW triggers are so much nicer.


Can a Ruger trigger be improved on very much?


Thanks for the explanation Jim.

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Originally Posted by Rob96
Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
Unless you're enamored of the Model 19 - and they are fine pieces - the Ruger Security Six is a same size option that AFAIK does not shoot loose even with a steady diet of magnums. They can usually be found for a god deal less than a comparable condition S&W. I've owned a few of them and any given example will be at least as accurate as any given Model 19 although the trigger isn't quite as nice, but then there are very few firearms anywhere with trigger pulls as nice as a K-frame single action pull.


The unfortunate thing with them is that they are no longer supportednby Ruger.


But parts are still available in various places. I've got extra parts. Last I used was for a friend who wanted to convert his 38 speed six to a 357 mag. It was a cylinder. Check out Gunbroker if you feel you need parts. I think you would have to work at it to wear one out.


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