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The snappiness of the .40 S&W does slow repeat shots for me vs my 9mm Glocks, and requires more concentration on keeping a tight two-handed grip on the gun to avoid the need to reacquire a proper grip round to round.
Pull on your big girl panties and deal with it. Honestly, if you can't handle the 40sw, you can't handle the 45acp. Not necessarily. I had a Glock 22 that wasn't as controllable as my friends Springfield XD 45 auto. Yep. My Glock 30 (.45 ACP) is much easier to control under recoil than my Glock 22 (.40 S&W)
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And I had a jeep that wasnt as easy to drive as my Corolla. P_ssies and f_cktards complain about 40sw recoil.
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Good thread. I do agree the 40 is snappier than a comparable 9mm. I dont think anyone here is contesting that. Am i faster with a 9mm? Yes, but only by a very small margin. And no, im not a "professional" pistol shooter. The 40 is very manageable, especially the full sized models that i pictured in a previous post.
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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The snappiness of the .40 S&W does slow repeat shots for me vs my 9mm Glocks, and requires more concentration on keeping a tight two-handed grip on the gun to avoid the need to reacquire a proper grip round to round.
Pull on your big girl panties and deal with it. Honestly, if you can't handle the 40sw, you can't handle the 45acp. I have zero problem handling a .40. Just my observations of issues related to it. I find .45 ACP to not have those issues to nearly the same degree as .40. TRH, Nevermind that moron. If that fugkwad ever had anything positive to say, he'd get knighted.
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I don't really like the 40. The snappy recoil is why. Have only shot a few, most light, the Sigs-not so much. Don't think I have ever shot any 45's except 1911s. And they are soft. My wife and preteen/teenage daughters like the 1911.
It's not painful or even a big deal. Just annoying.
Well, my buddies G27 is painful. Somehow the corner of the grip rolls across a nerve in my thumb joint, creating an electric shock sensation that goes to the elbow. Weird. I hate that gun.
Warm loads from the 4 5/8" 45 Blackhawks are much more pleasant.
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I don't really like the 40. The snappy recoil is why. Have only shot a few, most light, the Sigs-not so much. Don't think I have ever shot any 45's except 1911s. And they are soft. My wife and preteen/teenage daughters like the 1911.
It's not painful or even a big deal. Just annoying.
Well, my buddies G27 is painful. Somehow the corner of the grip rolls across a nerve in my thumb joint, creating an electric shock sensation that goes to the elbow. Weird. I hate that gun.
Warm loads from the 4 5/8" 45 Blackhawks are much more pleasant. Try the S&W Shield in .40. About the dumbest design in a pistol I've ever shot. I have no problem with a G22 or G23 sized gun, if that's the caliber you like.
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And I had a jeep that wasnt as easy to drive as my Corolla. P_ssies and f_cktards complain about 40sw recoil. Dick lick a$$hole is being himself.
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jwall, i'll tell you what I found snappy, a buddy has a little Sig P239 in 357 Sig, the tiny grip you can only get two fingers on is a little fist full of dynamite when you touch one off ; ] I had a P239 back in the 1990s. Carried it for a while. Yeah, it recoiled pretty hard. Lots of flash and blast, too. You can say BLAST again, that little banger was about like getting hit in the face with a straw broom, it was indeed a handful, it was/is his ankle gun, he had a full size Sig in 357 in a cross draw rig.
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The snappiest handgun I've had was a 19 with 2 1/2" bll with 357 Mag loads.
I've had 44s with either 6" or 7 1/2" blls. and they were stouter but that snubby 19 was the snappiest.
Jerry I gotta agree here. I just sold my S&W M19 snub, as my Glock 23 with 165's was pretty much matching it. And the Glock is a lot more comfortable to shoot. I've heard stories about snubs and airweight? 357 mags Men, have never had the pleasure ; ]
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Good thread. I do agree the 40 is snappier than a comparable 9mm. I dont think anyone here is contesting that. Am i faster with a 9mm? Yes, but only by a very small margin. And no, im not a "professional" pistol shooter. The 40 is very manageable, especially the full sized models that i pictured in a previous post. My 40 is a big pig of a tac-ops P226 BSA, all BS aside, it with 200gr bullets at 1050 fps are indeed like shooting a 45 ACP, big slow recoil that's very manageable, a real contrast to 140gr Barnes HP's at max speed, BTW, those 200's at that sedate speed penetrate like no other standard cup and core HP bullets I've ever tested here at the house in my homemade media boxes, a massive eye opener.
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You want to talk painful recoil in a handgun? I once took my S&W 329 PD along as bear defense during an elk hunt in northern Idaho. I had it loaded up with a bear load, heavy for caliber, hard cast lead, and hot. I can't remember what brand. Hadn't tried it, but assumed it would be painful, but that I wouldn't care if I needed to use it on a bear. Well, at my Idaho friend's house he set up a target on his property, and we both made sure our rifles were sighted in, especially mine after the flight over there. Rifles were fine. Then he brings out his huge S&W .500 Magnum that he was planning on bringing for bear defense. He fired it. He said it was painful, and offered to let me try. Yeah, it had recoil, but not painful. Then I pulled out my S&W 329 PD loaded for bear. This is a scandium .44 Magnum. I had to keep my man card, so I had to shoot the cylinder full at the target. I think it was the sixth round that fractured a bone in my wrist. That thing kicks more than any gun I've ever shot, or care to ever shoot. That was the last time I even fired Magnums out of it. I now consider it a .44 Special revolver. \
He fired one round out of it and admitted it made his .500 Magnum seem like a pussycat.
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The snappiest handgun I've had was a 19 with 2 1/2" bll with 357 Mag loads. I gotta agree here. I just sold my S&W M19 snub, as my Glock 23 with 165's was pretty much matching it. And the Glock is a lot more comfortable to shoot. I've heard stories about snubs and airweight? 357 mags Men, have never had the pleasure ; ] gunner - I kept the 19 snubby for a while as CC. I got a kick (no pun) outta shootin it. I traded it off to get ?something? else I wanted. Jerry
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I have one 40 S&w. It’s a H&K. USP . I bought it just before Clinton’s hi cap magazine ban. It’s full size and pretty snappy with heavy loads. More felt recoil than my CCO Model 45acp. Hasbeen
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Gunner500, I've owned two M19's and a M66, all in round butt snub config. Owned longer tube models too. Chrono results with various loadings did disappoint from the snubs. .357 Magnum was what it was built for, so that's what I used. Got .38's for .38's. Tried various grips, with a wrap around Pach being best on the round butt frame. Still, way more blast and recoil than necessary, especially in indoor shoots. And a M60 in .357M I once owned was a stupid attempt on my part to increase CCW power. Fail.
The G23 gobbles up anything I feed it, and I have yet to be disappointed in the results. Started using it in bowling pin matches in early '90's and it has proven itself. Times and splits not any different than other shooter's. From a G35, it is something to behold.
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Some years ago I chronographed two 357 Magnum JHP loads, CCI Blazer 125 grain and Federal 125 grain, from a 2 1/4" Ruger SP-101. Both were good for 1300 fps +/- 5, from that particular gun. I carried the well established Federal load and the biggest problem I had was that my wife kept shooting me out of it. If anything proved an annoyance to her garden or pets she would grab that Ruger and send the offending varmint to its eternity. I watched her kill a groundhog with it that was 'scaring her poor little Rottie' with a headshot at 10-12 paces; and the relocation of its eyeballs left little question the bullet had expanded.
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Sarge, ^^^^^^^^^ That's funny in a GOOD way. I don't know where you live and I DON'T want her shooting at me. Jerry
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You want to talk painful recoil in a handgun? I once took my S&W 329 PD along as bear defense during an elk hunt in northern Idaho. I had it loaded up with a bear load, heavy for caliber, hard cast lead, and hot. I can't remember what brand. Hadn't tried it, but assumed it would be painful, but that I wouldn't care if I needed to use it on a bear. Well, at my Idaho friend's house he set up a target on his property, and we both made sure our rifles were sighted in, especially mine after the flight over there. Rifles were fine. Then he brings out his huge S&W .500 Magnum that he was planning on bringing for bear defense. He fired it. He said it was painful, and offered to let me try. Yeah, it had recoil, but not painful. Then I pulled out my S&W 329 PD loaded for bear. This is a scandium .44 Magnum. I had to keep my man card, so I had to shoot the cylinder full at the target. I think it was the sixth round that fractured a bone in my wrist. That thing kicks more than any gun I've ever shot, or care to ever shoot. That was the last time I even fired Magnums out of it. I now consider it a .44 Special revolver. \
He fired one round out of it and admitted it made his .500 Magnum seem like a pussycat. LOL, Damn, hope the broken bone didn't hamper your hunt.
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The snappiest handgun I've had was a 19 with 2 1/2" bll with 357 Mag loads. I gotta agree here. I just sold my S&W M19 snub, as my Glock 23 with 165's was pretty much matching it. And the Glock is a lot more comfortable to shoot. I've heard stories about snubs and airweight? 357 mags Men, have never had the pleasure ; ] gunner - I kept the 19 snubby for a while as CC. I got a kick (no pun) outta shootin it. I traded it off to get ?something? else I wanted. Jerry Bet you had some fun with it around newbies ; ]
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Gunner500, I've owned two M19's and a M66, all in round butt snub config. Owned longer tube models too. Chrono results with various loadings did disappoint from the snubs. .357 Magnum was what it was built for, so that's what I used. Got .38's for .38's. Tried various grips, with a wrap around Pach being best on the round butt frame. Still, way more blast and recoil than necessary, especially in indoor shoots. And a M60 in .357M I once owned was a stupid attempt on my part to increase CCW power. Fail.
The G23 gobbles up anything I feed it, and I have yet to be disappointed in the results. Started using it in bowling pin matches in early '90's and it has proven itself. Times and splits not any different than other shooter's. From a G35, it is something to behold.
Nice, my 8-3/8ths inch barreled big n frame 357 mag is a pussycat, save a little blast, I load the 158 hard casts up to an easy 1400 fps.
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