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Triage! Triage is a practice that’s been used throughout the history of modern medicine even though it may been called something else back then it was still nothing more than what it is now. Triage is basically categorizing patients in a mass casualty incident by the severity of their trauma illness. Triage allows medical professionals to work on saving the lives of those with a better chance of living than those that are not likely to survive. With a limited number of resources available it’s better to use those resources on the patients that are most likely to respond favorably to the treatments. It’s always been tough on me when we had a mass casualty incident and I had to triage patients, I don’t like playing God and while I understand with and agree with the concept of triage that’s what it felt like to me.

Exactly correct

If it came to me or my grandson or some other good young man there would be no choice to make. The choice is obvious. It might come to a point where we older Americans chose to stay at home and die in familiar surroundings with the old hacksaw spouse at our sides. My wife is 100% in accordance.

I don't see the story here, or I should say any reason for a story.

Anyone with two cents worth of brain cells knows that the first duty of first responders and medical care providers in the case of emergency response is triage.

You do not waste time or resources on patients with no hope for survival.

I heard the cut off is now 60 yrs old in Northern Italy.

So, I guess it depends on how bad it gets.

DF

Most if not all countries with infections have possibility of facing this dilemma. With limited personnel, facilities, equipment they have to do what has to be done.

The thread you linked is now 10 days old. So by now the Doc's should be making these life & Death decisions..... are the bodies piling up?
Or just maybe half of Washington's libtards are rushing to the hospital thinking they have the covid.
The hospital worker I know had 19 people in the covid wing check out after the results came back negative and her floor is empty.... not one positive case in the whole hospital.

I`m sure illegal aliens will have priority...

No Fuqking doubt!!! 😡

Hospital ethics boards are in place to make these decisions all the time, not just for this crisis. Such decisions are made any time there is a limited supply and a higher demand for a resource. An example of this rationing process that gets done every day around the country is for organ transplants.

If interested, the original lead author of the organ rationing process (commissioned by Ronald Reagan) wrote a book outlining the process:
"Life on the Line" by John Kilner, Eerdmans 1992.

"Ethics boards" were mentioned back when Obummer was rolling out Obummercare...

That's essentially synonymous with the death panel idea, just with a more palatable name...

DF

You do realize that "ethics boards" have existed for health care rationaing since before WWI. And that they convene on a daily basis regionally around the country to make decisions on scarce resources both in total and for individual cases. And that Obama and his "care" had absolutely nothing to do with any of it. The current directives were developed under the direction of the Reagan administration (with ongoing reviews/updates of course).

Oh, and the author linked above, Kilner, is a born-again evangelical Bible-thumping Christian who took his "plan" from what he read in the Bible, specifically what he saw in Moses, Jesus, and Paul's actions.

Seems like I remember Sarah Palin catching a lot of $hit for talking about “death panels”. 🤬

That what it will be like if we get national healthcare for even minor surgery’s

I think this is exactly what is going on in Italy and other 2nd world countries in Europe.

For sure.

DF

Reading a thread like this feels about like walking 10 miles during a steady drizzle of crap. Where are the expressions of thought about better solutions, the ideas that stir hope, the expectation for success rather than misery?

As an example and for purpose of discussion, rather than all the fuss about employing various "ethical panels" (whose ethics??) to decide fate, and with regard to giving treatment with available equipment/meds/supplies/etc.,, what would be wrong with the concept of first in/first served?

Its all based on age of the patient. Those that have lived a full life and are wards of the state are better left to die, over the younger patients who can recover, go back to work, and pay taxes to keep the public trough full.

That is the purpose of medical ethics boards that have operated in this country for over a century now. They follow guidelines developed to minimize suffering, maximize care, and do it all without devaluing humanity to the greatest extent possible. Thankfully, the current guidelines were developed according to Christian principles and codified under the Reagan administration.

Do you-all realize that these boards meet and do this work all the time, every day in this country, for all sorts of medical problems for which there is short supply, at every hospital and regional medical center everywhere?

No, that would be about 3% of the decision-making process there. No sense in dramatizing this process that goes on everyday.

What the F*** do you holier than thou maroons think happens every SINGLE F****** DAY in the transplant world?

There's not enough organs, or money, to go around to do the ridiculous heroic effort thing for every delusional patient out there that thinks the "new" trial drug or treatment is going to save them.....

We already spend twice as much, as a percentage of GDP, on "health" care than anyone else. What would be enough?