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Trump's EO didn't specify what constitutes hoarding, but that would fit my definition.

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Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter
What an individual owns and wants to sell and at what price is purely up to them.


Not according to this, it does not define a difference between an individual and a business. In fact it specifically includes "personal" hoarding.

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I could not cut and paste from that link??? Everyone should read it though.... seems like a snap shot of how many Chinese view Americans.... nice suckers....

Wife and I pretty much have to buy medications made in China for now. Others pontificate about how Americans are just going to forget all about what scam artists the Communist Chinese are.... I'm not going to.


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Originally Posted by 2ndwind
Americans are just going to forget all about what scam artists the Communist Chinese are.... I'm not going to.


Good, I hope there are millions more like you.

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Originally Posted by 2ndwind



I could not cut and paste from that link??? Everyone should read it though.... seems like a snap shot of how many Chinese view Americans.... nice suckers....

Wife and I pretty much have to buy medications made in China for now. Others pontificate about how Americans are just going to forget all about what scam artists the Communist Chinese are.... I'm not going to.



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Where was the FBI during the gouging on .22 rimfire ammo?


That was a political issue, no one was going to die if they didn't have a box of 22 lr for the weekend.



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Originally Posted by Stickfight
Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter
What an individual owns and wants to sell and at what price is purely up to them.


Not according to this, it does not define a difference between an individual and a business. In fact it specifically includes "personal" hoarding.


That is an executive order, which are total bullish_t at least if you truly believe in freedom.

In a free society I can buy what I want and the quantities I want. You can spin it anyway you want to and for whatever product you want to. Either way it is total BS and as UnAmerican as you can get. A free market works on supply and demand.


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A true free market does not exist anywhere in this world. That would be a market devoid of taxes, tariffs, quality control, health regulations, etc. And the US is far from that.

A moderately regulated market in a country such as ours is (supposed to be) set up to encourage fair trade in a manner that creates value for all players due to supply and demand, absent coercion from the state. I think we can all agree at face value, we mostly agree with that statement, although we may argue the term "moderately regulated". (I'd like to see LESS regulation, obviously).

But the State of NY addresses "price gouging" as such:

New York State’s Price Gouging Law (General Business Law § 396-r) prohibits
merchants from taking unfair advantage of consumers by selling goods or services that
are “vital to the health, safety or welfare of consumers” for an "unconscionably
excessive price" during an abnormal disruption of the market place or state of
emergency.


While we are a free country we are also an ethically and morally superior populace, more so than almost any time in world history....

And I would think that even the usual band of roving band of rejects here would have to agree with the wording above.

(But, I'm, not counting on it.)

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Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter

In a free society I can buy what I want and the quantities I want. You can spin it anyway you want to and for whatever product you want to. Either way it is total BS and as UnAmerican as you can get. A free market works on supply and demand.


No, it is actually regulated... We can argue whether that is right or wrong, but there is a LARGE amount of regulation.

Monopolies, for example, are not allowed. The SEC (no, not the college football conference) decides if major mergers, like Sprint and T-Mobile, would be allowed and still alllow mostly fair trade.

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Don’t know about the Constitution part, but that chick is ugly.

Yeah buddy, she need a make-over, like white on rice.

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Originally Posted by 2ndwind



I could not cut and paste from that link??? Everyone should read it though.... seems like a snap shot of how many Chinese view Americans.... nice suckers....

Wife and I pretty much have to buy medications made in China for now. Others pontificate about how Americans are just going to forget all about what scam artists the Communist Chinese are.... I'm not going to.


This is the active link in that article. When I click on it from the article it works, but not here.

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Originally Posted by duck911
Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter

In a free society I can buy what I want and the quantities I want. You can spin it anyway you want to and for whatever product you want to. Either way it is total BS and as UnAmerican as you can get. A free market works on supply and demand.


No, it is actually regulated... We can argue whether that is right or wrong, but there is a LARGE amount of regulation.

Monopolies, for example, are not allowed. The SEC (no, not the college football conference) decides if major mergers, like Sprint and T-Mobile, would be allowed and still alllow mostly fair trade.


You are trying to split atoms! I clearly said there is regulations.

Price gouging is for commercial businesses and corporations. What an individual owns and wants to sell and at what price is purely up to them. You the consumer also have the same right to not pay for the product at asking price.

I said once I buy a product that product is mine and I can choose to hang on to it or sell it if I so desire. The price that I choose to sell it for is up to me, and it is up to you the buyer to decide if you are willing to pay that price.

When a person buys a product it may or may not have been in high demand. That person could have bought 20 Classic Muscle Cars 50 years ago and now decides they want to sell. Supply and demand is a partial dictator of the price. I know a car isn't a critical item and isn't the same thing. Well yes and no! That mask wasn't a crucial item when that person bought it and now it is. Or toilet paper, hand sanitizer, etc.....

If you believe different then all I can say is you are as liberal/socialist as they come!


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This is how real estate, the stock markets, and the likes of Ebay all work. When or if you change that then America has lost everything it is that sets it apart from the rest of the world.


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Originally Posted by duck911
Originally Posted by MontanaCreekHunter

In a free society I can buy what I want and the quantities I want. You can spin it anyway you want to and for whatever product you want to. Either way it is total BS and as UnAmerican as you can get. A free market works on supply and demand.


No, it is actually regulated... We can argue whether that is right or wrong, but there is a LARGE amount of regulation.

Monopolies, for example, are not allowed. The SEC (no, not the college football conference) decides if major mergers, like Sprint and T-Mobile, would be allowed and still alllow mostly fair trade.

Right. Because we are not a free society.

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Price is what you pay, value is what you get.

I don’t believe a society could exist without some measure of rule in place. It’s what separates us from animals, no?

I reckon it all sounds peachy, until you’re not the seller.

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I said once I buy a product that product is mine and I can choose to hang on to it or sell it if I so desire.


Try not paying your personal or property taxes, and see how that works out for you. miles


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In a free society I can buy what I want and the quantities I want


We have not had a free society for a long time. Was nothing learned from Lincolns war? miles


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Originally Posted by Stickfight
A guy n NY was trying to sell N95 masks and other medical for ~700% markups, but one of his prospective customers was a doctor who alerted authorities. He coughed at Federal agents when they came to take his supplies and told them he was COVID positive.

For you constitutionalists, where does the FBI's authority to seize these masks come from? Trump's EO supersede The Constitution's provision of being secure in your possessions?

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/0...ng-medical-supplies-coughing-fbi-agents/


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These guys never learn. You have to buy off politicians like big pharma to charge too much!


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