A guy n NY was trying to sell N95 masks and other medical for ~700% markups, but one of his prospective customers was a doctor who alerted authorities. He coughed at Federal agents when they came to take his supplies and told them he was COVID positive.
For you constitutionalists, where does the FBI's authority to seize these masks come from? Trump's EO supersede The Constitution's provision of being secure in your possessions?
https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/0...ng-medical-supplies-coughing-fbi-agents/Here is a photo of Mr. Feldheim just in case you are wondering:
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its ok. The virus made them do it.
If he coughed on them on purpose, he could be looking at more charges.
I'd have given him a kick in the nuts.
This is too much. That picture, that name, and selling masks at a 700% markup? Was he drinking baby’s blood and screwing with the weather too?
Guy in Moorhead MN grocery store was arrested yesterday for purposefully coughing on two minority workers, claiming minorities were the cause of the virus and refusing to identify himself to police.
Don’t know about the Constitution part, but that chick is ugly.
Just nailed a guy up here for price gouging masks. also. Local cops, not FBI, I think.
Seen a auction yesterday on Fleay bay.
Person got 1575.00 for 4 cans of Lysol spray.bastids
In a free market, gouging is impossible.
There were a lot of people on here who were livid about the brothers with 17,000 gallons of hand sanitizer, and agreed with the Governor of Tennessee seizing them. This is a very slippery slope.
They may decide that The Real Hawkeye has too many Glock magazines 🤣
On that note, then...
A '70 340 six-pack 'Cuda for it's original retail price?
Sign me up!!!!!!!!!
In a free market, gouging is impossible.
In a health crises, gouging becomes a crime that may cost lives.
There is a gouging law, I'm assuming if you violate it, the law provides for seizure of said goods. All legal.
There were a lot of people on here who were livid about the brothers with 17,000 gallons of hand sanitizer, and agreed with the Governor of Tennessee seizing them. This is a very slippery slope.
It was my understanding that once the publicity was out, the brothers donated them to various places, and/or sold some at more reasonable prices. Cohersion, certainly - but IIRC- it was not siezed. But I'm not going back to check....
War proffiteers have always had a bad rep, how much worse is it when it is implements to save lives, rather than take them?
But yeah, ya gotta watch the footing on that slope!
It is my understanding that "declared State of Emergency" legally prohibits profiteering.
Please correct me if I am mistaken.
On that note, then...
A '70 340 six-pack 'Cuda for it's original retail price?
Sign me up!!!!!!!!!
I'll take the 440 one that comes with it. A young guy in the town I went to HS in bought a new '70 440 6pk with 4sp and 4.10's in Plum Purple or Crazy whatever they called it when he returned from Nam. When the gas price issues came along in 73 or 74 being a married man with a child the 50 some cents per gallon made him buy a little Nissan. 'Cuda had low 40K miles on it. He kept dropping price and finally sold it for $1600. Purchaser stripped interior except for drivers bucket, removed 6pk, cut a bigger hole in shaker hood and put on a tunnel ram with 2-4's. Made you sick. I was 18 and hadn't yet graduated and dad wouldn't let me be the proud owner. Sold before I graduated and had a job. Sure wished I could go back for that and several reasons.lol Another guy sold a '69 SS 396 4sp Hugger Orange with under 40K miles for $1800 and a teacher traded his '69 Camaro SS 350 4sp Canary Yellow. All bought little foreign units. Funny how .25 cents a gallon made a difference back then. Guess at 1.60 minimum wage then pennies added up to dollars fairly fast?
"According to the U.S. Attorney’s Office report, another New Jersey doctor went to an auto repair shop to pick up an order of medical supplies from Feldheim, who communicated with doctors and nurses via a WhatsApp group titled “Virus2020!” The doctor told investigators that Feldheim had enough medical supplies to “outfit an entire hospital.”
According to the doctor, the repair shop contained materials such as hand sanitizer, Clorox wipes, chemical cleaning supply agents, and surgical supplies."
Title could read NY Doctor ripped off at auto repair shop.
In a free market, gouging is impossible.
In a health crises, gouging becomes a crime that may cost lives.
Hmm, if two people agreeing on a transaction results in one of them being charged with a crime, that's not a free market. But as I get older, I see more and more people are deathly afraid of true freedom, and more demanding of govt protection.
Hmm, if two people agreeing on a transaction results in one of them being charged with a crime, that's not a free market.
You sound like a pimp.
Hmm, if two people agreeing on a transaction results in one of them being charged with a crime, that's not a free market.
You sound like a pimp.
You sound like someone who doesn't know what a pimp is, or can't comprehend what I wrote.
This is too much. That picture, that name, and selling masks at a 700% markup? Was he drinking baby’s blood and screwing with the weather too?
No, but when he takes the hat off, you can see the horns......
Market means willing, knowledgable, and not under duress for either side of the transaction.
Hmm, if two people agreeing on a transaction results in one of them being charged with a crime, that's not a free market.
You sound like a pimp.
Ill give you a deal on a tourniquet and pressure bandage when you are bleeding out for $20,000!
Where was the FBI during the gouging on .22 rimfire ammo?
Not a declared emergency.
Hmm, if two people agreeing on a transaction results in one of them being charged with a crime, that's not a free market.
You sound like a pimp.
Ill give you a deal on a tourniquet and pressure bandage when you are bleeding out for $20,000!
Well said. Price gouging for medically essential items during a dire emergency should bring on harsh penalties. Things like TP and potatoes aren't medical necessities, but medical supplies are and need special protections.
Jump up and down and scream Constitution as your mother dies...nope.
So who decides what's ok to profit on and what's not? I don't GAF about hand sanitizer, soap works great and so do gloves. You want the the convenience and (false) sense of security hand sanitizer gives you, then pay for it. Don't want to dilute some bleach and use a spray bottle and rag, prefer a nice handy scented Lysol wipe? Ok,pay for it. Point is, lots of stuff is not essential,simply in high demand by people with very little common sense. If those people are willing to pay big money for the things they think they need, I don't have a problem with people selling it for what the market will bear.
WE have laws against price gouging during a declared emergency.
Maybe there’s an app to translate it to Canadianeze.
WE have laws against price gouging during a declared emergency.
Maybe there’s an app to translate it to Canadianeze.
Ok. Got a link to what that law is? Is it a federal law, or do each of the states get to make their own?
This is too much. That picture, that name, and selling masks at a 700% markup? Was he drinking baby’s blood and screwing with the weather too?
There are a lot of aspects of what is going on right now that seem like they are straight out of a disaster novel, and this whole story is one of them.
FBI also raiding companies or businesses that may have bought fake or non FDA approved CV19 testing kits! Hit a company in Houston and are tracing all shipments that went out.
That bunch is a self correcting problem. But they're going to wipe out a sizable percentage of NYC in the process.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/hasidic-community-ignores-social-distancing-orders-amid-coronavirus/
WE have laws against price gouging during a declared emergency.
Maybe there’s an app to translate it to Canadianeze.
Ok. Got a link to what that law is? Is it a federal law, or do each of the states get to make their own?
I’m sure you have google.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging
On that note, then...
A '70 340 six-pack 'Cuda for it's original retail price?
Sign me up!!!!!!!!!
Exactly!
WE have laws against price gouging during a declared emergency.
Maybe there’s an app to translate it to Canadianeze.
Ok. Got a link to what that law is? Is it a federal law, or do each of the states get to make their own?
Price gouging is for commercial businesses and corporations. What an individual owns and wants to sell and at what price is purely up to them. You the consumer also have the same right to not pay for the product at asking price.
Typical joo merchant?
Trump's EO didn't specify what constitutes hoarding, but that would fit my definition.
What an individual owns and wants to sell and at what price is purely up to them.
Not according to
this, it does not define a difference between an individual and a business. In fact it specifically includes "personal" hoarding.
I could not cut and paste from that link??? Everyone should read it though.... seems like a snap shot of how many Chinese view Americans.... nice suckers....
Wife and I pretty much have to buy medications made in China for now. Others pontificate about how Americans are just going to forget all about what scam artists the Communist Chinese are.... I'm not going to.
Americans are just going to forget all about what scam artists the Communist Chinese are.... I'm not going to.
Good, I hope there are millions more like you.
I could not cut and paste from that link??? Everyone should read it though.... seems like a snap shot of how many Chinese view Americans.... nice suckers....
Wife and I pretty much have to buy medications made in China for now. Others pontificate about how Americans are just going to forget all about what scam artists the Communist Chinese are.... I'm not going to.
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Where was the FBI during the gouging on .22 rimfire ammo?
That was a political issue, no one was going to die if they didn't have a box of 22 lr for the weekend.
What an individual owns and wants to sell and at what price is purely up to them.
Not according to
this, it does not define a difference between an individual and a business. In fact it specifically includes "personal" hoarding.
That is an executive order, which are total bullish_t at least if you truly believe in freedom.
In a free society I can buy what I want and the quantities I want. You can spin it anyway you want to and for whatever product you want to. Either way it is total BS and as UnAmerican as you can get. A free market works on supply and demand.
A true free market does not exist anywhere in this world. That would be a market devoid of taxes, tariffs, quality control, health regulations, etc. And the US is far from that.
A moderately regulated market in a country such as ours is (supposed to be) set up to encourage fair trade in a manner that creates value for all players due to supply and demand, absent coercion from the state. I think we can all agree at face value, we mostly agree with that statement, although we may argue the term "moderately regulated". (I'd like to see LESS regulation, obviously).
But the State of NY addresses "price gouging" as such:
New York State’s Price Gouging Law (General Business Law § 396-r) prohibits
merchants from taking unfair advantage of consumers by selling goods or services that
are “vital to the health, safety or welfare of consumers” for an "unconscionably
excessive price" during an abnormal disruption of the market place or state of
emergency.
While we are a free country we are also an ethically and morally superior populace, more so than almost any time in world history....
And I would think that even the usual band of roving band of rejects here would have to agree with the wording above.
(But, I'm, not counting on it.)
In a free society I can buy what I want and the quantities I want. You can spin it anyway you want to and for whatever product you want to. Either way it is total BS and as UnAmerican as you can get. A free market works on supply and demand.
No, it is actually regulated... We can argue whether that is right or wrong, but there is a LARGE amount of regulation.
Monopolies, for example, are not allowed. The SEC (no, not the college football conference) decides if major mergers, like Sprint and T-Mobile, would be allowed and still alllow mostly fair trade.
Don’t know about the Constitution part, but that chick is ugly.
Yeah buddy, she need a make-over, like white on rice.
Do something with all that hair she's work'n
I could not cut and paste from that link??? Everyone should read it though.... seems like a snap shot of how many Chinese view Americans.... nice suckers....
Wife and I pretty much have to buy medications made in China for now. Others pontificate about how Americans are just going to forget all about what scam artists the Communist Chinese are.... I'm not going to.
This is the active link in that article. When I click on it from the article it works, but not here.
pic.twitter.com/Pe7qmlz70i
In a free society I can buy what I want and the quantities I want. You can spin it anyway you want to and for whatever product you want to. Either way it is total BS and as UnAmerican as you can get. A free market works on supply and demand.
No, it is actually regulated... We can argue whether that is right or wrong, but there is a LARGE amount of regulation.
Monopolies, for example, are not allowed. The SEC (no, not the college football conference) decides if major mergers, like Sprint and T-Mobile, would be allowed and still alllow mostly fair trade.
You are trying to split atoms! I clearly said there is regulations.
Price gouging is for commercial businesses and corporations. What an individual owns and wants to sell and at what price is purely up to them. You the consumer also have the same right to not pay for the product at asking price.
I said once I buy a product that product is mine and I can choose to hang on to it or sell it if I so desire. The price that I choose to sell it for is up to me, and it is up to you the buyer to decide if you are willing to pay that price.
When a person buys a product it may or may not have been in high demand. That person could have bought 20 Classic Muscle Cars 50 years ago and now decides they want to sell. Supply and demand is a partial dictator of the price. I know a car isn't a critical item and isn't the same thing. Well yes and no! That mask wasn't a crucial item when that person bought it and now it is. Or toilet paper, hand sanitizer, etc.....
If you believe different then all I can say is you are as liberal/socialist as they come!
This is how real estate, the stock markets, and the likes of Ebay all work. When or if you change that then America has lost everything it is that sets it apart from the rest of the world.
In a free society I can buy what I want and the quantities I want. You can spin it anyway you want to and for whatever product you want to. Either way it is total BS and as UnAmerican as you can get. A free market works on supply and demand.
No, it is actually regulated... We can argue whether that is right or wrong, but there is a LARGE amount of regulation.
Monopolies, for example, are not allowed. The SEC (no, not the college football conference) decides if major mergers, like Sprint and T-Mobile, would be allowed and still alllow mostly fair trade.
Right. Because we are not a free society.
Price is what you pay, value is what you get.
I don’t believe a society could exist without some measure of rule in place. It’s what separates us from animals, no?
I reckon it all sounds peachy, until you’re not the seller.
I said once I buy a product that product is mine and I can choose to hang on to it or sell it if I so desire.
Try not paying your personal or property taxes, and see how that works out for you. miles
In a free society I can buy what I want and the quantities I want
We have not had a free society for a long time. Was nothing learned from Lincolns war? miles
A guy n NY was trying to sell N95 masks and other medical for ~700% markups, but one of his prospective customers was a doctor who alerted authorities. He coughed at Federal agents when they came to take his supplies and told them he was COVID positive.
For you constitutionalists, where does the FBI's authority to seize these masks come from? Trump's EO supersede The Constitution's provision of being secure in your possessions?
https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/0...ng-medical-supplies-coughing-fbi-agents/Here is a photo of Mr. Feldheim just in case you are wondering:
This tribe really has an instinct for profiteering off of national and international crisis.
These guys never learn. You have to buy off politicians like big pharma to charge too much!
Watch the groids... learn to survive through a crisis... Hell even everyday life when times are good.
I takes what I needs wants.
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